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post #1 of 18 Old 06-29-2020, 02:22 PM Thread Starter
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Teddy's hooves, for the third time

Teddy's hooves continue to concern me. Here's some before and after (his trim) pictures from today. He's trimmed every four weeks.

We had a new trimmer last time, and she took more off all of them than the old one did. And yet look at his hooves! Don't they look like they haven't been trimmed in two months? I'm trying to put my finger on what it is -- maybe it's the way that the hoof wall doesn't follow the sole (if I'm saying that correctly) evenly?

The problem is that I keep comparing his hooves to Pony's hooves. Pony has perfect pony hooves -- small, hard as iron, with a tight white line, nice deep sole -- they're just textbook hooves. So I have a hard time knowing if Teddy's hooves are within the realm of "OK", even though they look so different than Pony's, or whether Teddy's hooves have problems that need to be addressed.
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Hooves after trimming

Here are the after pictures....
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The farrier did a decent job. They look pretty well balanced and she tried to address the flare on the one hoof. it may take a few trims to see the good end result. It is hard to compare horses feet as like humans our physical bodies affect our feet. So pony's feet may look great compared to Teddy but their physical bodies are different so different feet. From the first pics it looks like he may have had some stretching at the white line due to being left too long. You should see that tighten up with better care
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From the first pics it looks like he may have had some stretching at the white line due to being left too long.
That's sort of what it looks like to me, too, but he's on a four-week trim cycle and he has been on that trim cycle for over a year now. Surely I don't need to move to three weeks??? Could there be something else going on?

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That's sort of what it looks like to me, too, but he's on a four-week trim cycle and he has been on that trim cycle for over a year now. Surely I don't need to move to three weeks??? Could there be something else going on?
White line separation can be caused by a variety of factors, internal and external. Internal problems can include conformation or dietary. External problems can be caused by improper trimming/shoeing. Although six to eight weeks is considered "normal", three to four weeks is a good schedule. It is better to take off a little off the top every couple weeks than it is to hack it all off every couple of months. I do not know what causes for white line separation besides hoof imbalances (such as flare). Even if you trim every week, it won't get any better if the hoof is imbalanced and flare is not corrected.

In my opinion, his hoof looks stretched, somewhat oval like a hind hoof. That might just be the angle, though....

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The purpose of the before and after pictures was partially to make the point of how bad his hooves seem to get after just four weeks, given the fact that he gets a decent trim.

Also, he does get hoof supplements, including copper, zinc, and biotin. They all get the same pasture, hay, feed, supplements, and trims, but his feet almost always look worse than the other two. Unlike the other two, he's only been ridden one time in the last three months.

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That's sort of what it looks like to me, too, but he's on a four-week trim cycle and he has been on that trim cycle for over a year now. Surely I don't need to move to three weeks??? Could there be something else going on?
Yes, you might need to go to a 3 week schedule while this new farrier works to correct some issues.

Your horses are being supplemented with nutrients that promote hoof growth and it is summer, a time when hooves grow more and faster than other times of the year...and...you are not riding him at all are you?
3 months since the last time he was ridden you mentioned..

Just hanging around the paddock/pasture self-wearing his feet as he moseys around is vastly different than being ridden a few times a week on abrasive sand and made to move along..
Each animal is a individual as you know.
He might need his feet done sooner than your other two is a real possibility.
My horses are seen every 4.5 weeks...more than a 1/4" of foot is easily removed and mine don't get any extra supplementing just their daily feed given.

Being this is a new farrier, work in progress of changes underway done....
I've seen worse feet and I've seen better.
Honestly, I think you speaking to the farrier and voicing your concerns for some direct answers is what needs done.
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@horselovinguy thanks for your comments. I did ask her about his hooves, specifically the problems I mentioned above. She didn't think it was an issue, and felt like four weeks was fine for him. I did ask her specifically if she thought I should go to three weeks.

IDK, I guess I'm just a worrier. All of the farriers and trimmers I've had have recognized that Teddy has the worst hooves of all of them, but none of them have thought he needed any special treatment, even though I've expressed concern about his hooves to all of them. If the pictures in the first post represent hooves that are not great but are still within the realm of acceptable, then I guess I just need to reset my expectations.

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Oh, he has some issues that need worked on, you are very correct.
The hard part is he may not be blessed with good hoof material, shape and just nicer feet.
To me, his feet are very flared, very mis-shaped and just plain raggy looking.
I would of guessed a lot longer than 4 weeks since his last trim looking at them...
Is there room for improvement, you bet.
What would I be expecting, can't tell you that from a picture but in person oh yes...my mouth would not shut up.

I know you said it is this horse who is having the issue with stiff in the left side...
I'm wondering if this could be connected...
I'm not good enough with hooves to answer that but it is indeed in my mind with what I see...
Do you have a pictures from the other farrier doing these feet that can be used for comparison?
Amazing what feet and wearing of can tell a knowledgeable person on issues unfolding...
You might want one of the several hoof gurus....ask that above thought to them.
I'll tag @loosie as I know she has commented on past threads on your guys tootsies...
Not sure who else you would ask a opinion of so will leave that to you.
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I know you said it is this horse who is having the issue with stiff in the left side...
I'm wondering if this could be connected...
I'm not good enough with hooves to answer that but it is indeed in my mind with what I see...
Yes, I wondered this as well. I forgot to ask the farrier, though. Teddy has so much going on. After I got his teeth fixed, he was better for a long time, and then everything just started falling apart again.

The next time she comes out, I will mention his one-sidedness and ask if she thinks his hoof problems could be related.

I wish I could find one person who would come out and look at everything -- hooves, body, saddle, teeth, movement, attitude, and put it all together and figure out how it fits together and how I can fix it...

I double checked, and it was exactly four weeks since her last visit. I have text messages from her, so I'm sure.

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