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post #1 of 25 Old 11-28-2018, 09:15 PM Thread Starter
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underrun heels?

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I was out measuring my gelding for some boots and I noticed that I felt like I couldn't measure him well enough because his frog seemed really far back. I'm trying to follow the EasyCare measurement guidelines (https://www.easycareinc.com/content/measure.asp) but I'm having a hard time pinpointing what his width and length are. Any ideas?

I've only had him trimmed a few times since I bought him in July, and he has previously been shod his whole life. I'm in Michigan and he's from Alabama - I don't know if they pull shoes in the winter but here it's necessary. He had his shoes pulled in early Oct (earlier than normal for me, but my saddle wasn't ready so I was done riding in Sept).

His feet look completely different from my mare (who has very wide/round hooves: https://i.imgur.com/xgDKbyW.jpg), so I wanted some opinions.
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post #2 of 25 Old 11-28-2018, 09:26 PM
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He has very overgrown bars and underun/long heels...which is then running his toes forward as well. I would not try to buy boots with his feet like this, you'll have a hard time fitting them and if you are using a good farrier and hes actually working on correcting the issue...you'll need new boots after just a few months. Unless hes sore even in the paddock I would try to work his feet back before investing in boots.

Your mare also has overgrown bars, not AS bad though. Her feet look like they're pretty flared all the way around though. When was she last trimmed?
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post #3 of 25 Old 11-28-2018, 09:43 PM Thread Starter
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He has very overgrown bars and underun/long heels...which is then running his toes forward as well. I would not try to buy boots with his feet like this, you'll have a hard time fitting them and if you are using a good farrier and hes actually working on correcting the issue...you'll need new boots after just a few months. Unless hes sore even in the paddock I would try to work his feet back before investing in boots.

Your mare also has overgrown bars, not AS bad though. Her feet look like they're pretty flared all the way around though. When was she last trimmed?
That is a VERY old photo of my mares hooves (like, 5 years), just used it as an example. I haven't taken photos of her feet in ages. Both my horses were trimmed on Monday (11/26)
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I'd probably look for another farrier then. They left SO much that needs trimmed...Maybe try talking to them about it first. Express your concerns and how you're boot shopping and you noticed some issues? If they don't agree that their are issues and aren't going to work towards correcting, fire them.
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^I think the first post of evil's is good advice - As they are now, given that with good trimming, his feet should change enough within only a few trims, so that boots you get now won't fit well, shortly. And possibly may not fit wonderfully even now. So unless you can buy a cheap set, I'd wait until he's had a few good trims, to correct those heels, before measuring/buying boots. Unless he's sore in the paddock & needs them for 'rehab'.

Yes, he has 'run forward', overlong heels, very probably stretched toes too, tho need more pics & without tape in the way(see link in my signature if you want to post more pics) to get a really good idea. Heels also appear quite uneven, the way they've been trimmed, and bars are also overlong.

If you do want to buy boots for him now, I'd measure back to the widest part of the frog, as if the heel platforms were back where they should be, although you may be able to lose a half " or so of toe off that length, if that were backed to where it should be. *Tho without clear pics, that's only a guess.

The second of Evil's posts I do not agree with at all(sorry Evil) - I don't think it's at all fair to base an opinion on the farrier on one picture, particularly this one. Especially knowing the horse is new to you, newly deshod etc. Yes, there are 'issues' that need resolving(heels & bars appear 'too long' & heels appear uneven), but without knowing what the hooves looked like before, what has been done, other angles etc, who knows whether your farrier should have done any different for that one trim.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg

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The second of Evil's posts I do not agree with at all(sorry Evil) - I don't think it's at all fair to base an opinion on the farrier on one picture, particularly this one. Especially knowing the horse is new to you, newly deshod etc. Yes, there are 'issues' that need resolving(heels & bars appear 'too long' & heels appear uneven), but without knowing what the hooves looked like before, what has been done, other angles etc, who knows whether your farrier should have done any different for that one trim.
I know but thats why I said she should talk to her current farrier about the concerns and see what they have to say. Some farriers, your concerns go in one ear and out the other and they do nothing to improve. Others will agree with the concerns and explain what they're doing and how they're hoping to fix the issue. She should talk to them first though but I'd also be looking for other options in case they are not going to be able to correct it. I've literally had farriers tell me my horses under run heels were caused only because of his confo and there was nothing they could do to fix it...(horse I do not have anymore). I switched farriers and what do you know, he backed up the heels just fine.
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Thanks for the opinions :) I'm going out today and I'll get some better pics.

My farrier discussed some issues he noticed when he got his first trim with him (uneven trimming, etc). He was tripping a lot when I first got him and now that has been corrected so I believe my farrier is actively working towards making his hooves better. I'll also grab some of my mares feet who has been trimmed by my current farrier for years now. My gelding's feet, I think, are kind of crappy, so I've also put him on a supplement to help. He's been on that for a little over a month now.

I'll also wait until spring to get the boots - I don't need them currently, as they'd only be for when we ride at rocky places. He doesn't appear sore or ouchy in the pasture. Pasture is all mud right now, anyway, lol.
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Keep in mind that hoof pic could have been taken in between trims so it's not squeaky clean and perfectly even...
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That is a VERY old photo of my mares hooves (like, 5 years), just used it as an example. I haven't taken photos of her feet in ages. Both my horses were trimmed on Monday (11/26)


Says right here horse's were trimmed on monday this week.
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Keep in mind that hoof pic could have been taken in between trims so it's not squeaky clean and perfectly even...
Didn't you look at the pic Bucky? It's quite obviously a fresh trim. Even if OP hadn't have told us so.
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Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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