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post #1 of 31 Old 09-26-2018, 09:52 PM Thread Starter
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What is going on with these shoes

I tried a new farrier and after the first trim I noticed my mares feet started to flare out. A little concerned I did give it a second go. Second round we put on shoes (she is sensitive but she used to be perfect barefoot so I want her back that way again), didn't like that he took out a chunk in the front to fit a toe clip shoe. Went back to my original farrier to reset and he put on new shoes, a different shape than all her previous shoes.. This one has a different toe shape. I'm assuming he carved out the chunk from where the previous toe clip was, but now she doesn't have a straight wall. What do you think????

I've attached photos of the first shoe with the toe clip and the underside (6 nails) and then the wrong shape shoe (8 nails) with her weird shape foot now.
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post #2 of 31 Old 09-27-2018, 01:07 AM
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The first set pictures shows a dubbed toe, did you ask the farrier why he did that? Neither farrier addressed the bars, and the second set of pictures, the farrier filed down the front of the hoof wall to make it fit to the shoe. If this was my horse, I would have the shoes pulled, and not use either of those farriers again. In my books, that's called laziness.
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post #3 of 31 Old 09-27-2018, 01:25 AM
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Photo #2 is some of the worst farrier work I've ever seen in my life! The nails are all uneven, the rasping under the clenches is huge and ugly, the shoe is set way too far back. No pride (or skill) in workmanship at all.


The farrier that did the toe clip did the better job. Not perfect, but much better than the farrier that dubbed the whole toe. (I have seen many professional farriers "dress" aka rasp the outer wall that way, that alone doesn't bother me). The clinches are small, even and neat. The foot IS flaring a bit. That's the fault in it. It may not be a top-end shoeing job, but at least he tried and had a little pride.


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post #4 of 31 Old 09-27-2018, 01:28 AM
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PS. Are we looking at front or hind feet? They sort of look like hinds, but I have a feeling they are fronts? I mean, they are shaped like fronts, but I usually only see hinds bull-nosed like that.

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post #5 of 31 Old 09-27-2018, 06:08 AM Thread Starter
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Yes those are her fronts, she's due soon and ive found three new farriers numbers to call. She has really good feet so I'm tired of farriers messing around!
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Good for you for being proactive about her feet! I always feel sorry for people who only have one or two farriers to choose from. Hopefully this next one will be "the one" for you!
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OK... so ignoring the fact that I don't believe conventional shoes are helpful to correct run forward heels, or, for that matter, flared feet - they need to be *relieved* not put under further pressure from rims....

Both shoe jobs are problematic, but the first job is neater, better applied, and the second, I believe, tries to address the run forward toes. It is not a problem at all to have nipped out a bit at the front to 'seat' the toe clip - certainly beats having the shoe a tad further forward for the toe clip to be on the outside of the wall.

Inn the earlier, it appears he has shod mostly to the foot he founnd, without a thought to the feet becoming distorted(flared). This is common, and, to some degree, it may be unavoidable, if rim shoes, nailed to the walls are used, when feet are already flared - after all, the farrier needs to retain some wall to nail to.

In the sole pics, I have marked(very roughly - don't take it as accurate, just for an idea) the linne across the hoof 'dimple' and junnction where the wall meets frog, which is close to where the heel platforms 'should' be back to, the middle of the foot - the widest part of the sole(can't see from shoes so guess), the point the bars(should) terminnnate - and the front line is approx point of 'breakover', should be no more than lenngth from heel to middle. As you cannn see, the first farrier has shod the foot way forward. Tho appears maybe(may be camera annngle) the heels are better supported further back. While the second farrier has pulled the toe back a heap with his 'dub', back to somewhere in the vacinity it should be. On the hoof on the ground pic I've marked a line down the wall where I *guess* the wall would be if straight, well attached, considering all angles. This is where farrier has dubbed to. But this of itself is nnot an effective way to deal with the forward toes. It nneeds addressing from undernnneath as well, to change the stresses on - and therefore the future growth of - the foot. If shod, this can be done with a bevelled toe or a 'NNatural Balannnnnce' type shoe, with a 'breakover point' put further back, as I've indicated on that pic.

Neither shoe job seems to have tried to address the long, crushed forward heels by 'floating' them above the shoe for relief, but the first job appears to have the shoe back approx to where the heel 'should' be, while the later job has the horse shod to the heels he has now, a way forward.

So... I cant get attachments to work. But if you go to Equine Lameness Prevention Organization, Inc. - Powered by AMO you will find the info to allow you to 'map' the foot & work out where the toes & heels should be.
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Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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post #8 of 31 Old 10-06-2018, 03:49 PM Thread Starter
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Here's the foot now a week "overdue" however this is a length she is sound on so I feel I should have her done less frequently than my other two (they're barefoot only and don't have any problems) or just tell them to lightly file. Hoping to pull the shoes and get her barefoot again, with a new farrier of course coming out on Monday 🙂 everyone's comments here reassured me the past 2 farriers are done touching my mares.
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Did the new farrier come & pull shoes yet? How goes it?

Yes, when a horse has thin soles, a little 'overdue' can be more comfortable *tho it won't address the issues. Keeping the horse more regularly & well trimmed, and using hoof boots, or plastics like Easyshoes or Eponas if you feel you must shoe will help.

When the farrier removes/removed shoes, they should generally only do a very conservative trim, then come back in a week or few to do a 'real' one. That can help the horse 'ease in' to his feet.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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Yes had a new farrier come and this is where she is at now
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