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post #1 of 7 Old 07-10-2020, 12:48 PM Thread Starter
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Barn Owners - Question about Boarding Instructors

Question on whether or not partial compensation should be expected or received from a boarding independent instructor (not employed by barn facility) who schedules lessons and training on their own to other boarders, as well as to outside riding students?
Do they share the arena during lessons alongside other riders or are they given private use of the arena for lessons?
There are no other instructors provided at the facility so for boarders who desire lessons it's very nice to have that available.
For other boarders, riding around lessons can sometimes feel intrusive.
Thank you in advance for your comments.
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I would say they have scheduled times for use and do pay a fee for use as well as probably having their off site students pay a fee to trailer in, in which case they paid so their time and unless you are riding in the lesson then off limits. If they are just allowed free access to the arena at any given time not fair to the boarders that pay to board with use included in their fees. I'd say there should be a posted schedule for open arena times.
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If the instructor is using someone else's facility to make money, a percentage needs to go to the farm owner. Either that or there has to be some kind of trade-off. I would at least even have an informal contract written up with anybody using my land and facilities.
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The facility owner is entitled for compensation for use of the facility and insurance risk raised.
If this person is bringing onto the facility outsiders who do not pay board, just arrive and create "wear & tear", use amenities, it is fair the facility owners are compensated for money made on their land.
That said, as owner of said property I would be having a discussion with my attorney and legal binding paperwork drawn that would exonerate said property from lawsuits, risks or anything else by that instructors business dealings.
That instructor would also have proper insurance to cover said land owner on their policy in case of injury to or having something occur on the property while people are present that are not paying boarding clientele.
Once you allow outsiders to arrive and take-over your ring[s], you now push your paying clientele out of the way making for some disgruntled customers and potential to leave your facility for another to happen.
Boarders should always have a place to ride, a designated schedule posted if you are going to allow for outsiders to come in and with that a closure of a riding ring now made for private use...
I would never allow for riding lessons scheduled at prime riding time of the boarders....
You want to take a lesson fine, but it will be at10:00 or 1:00 not 3:00 on a Wednesday afternoon when your boarder students come in after school to see/ride their horses...
Those taking lessons, all must sign a waiver/release for them and or their horses, family members and equipment to be on your property in case of ....well, anything cause if they don't board their then there is no reason for anyone or thing to be on premise in the first place.
Yup, you bet there would be a ring fee per horse, per lesson, per person individual so one horse shipping in is not doing 5 lessons in the day...cost is per lesson, per horse and per different student and there are no free rides allowed of a ride along in the trailer nonsense either.
All horses who enter your farm present to you a copy you keep of proof of vaccinations and current coggins.
All riders, meet the standards of riding and rider safety of equipment worn and used for said time on your facility grounds...helmet, closed toe and heeled foot apparel, pants and or appropriate apparel on said person[s] bodies appropriate to being at a horse riding/care facility.
No dogs permitted leashed or not, period.
No children running around, attended or not.
No one allowed in the barn but boarders or said specific student, reduces risk for injury and private stuff walking off.
You need to run your barn for what it is...a business cause it is one and as a business you are open to some crazy lawsuits from many...
You need to set hours and days when no lessons are permitted so your boarders not be tripping over students and unfamiliar horses using not only a riding ring but be prepared for the barn cross-ties, the horse needing a bath after a ride, a place to graze {remember those current medical details mentioned}, restroom facilities for everyone who arrives with the student....
Its one thing to come, ride...do your thing to clean up and leave or be the area hangout like the kids do in parking lots that make it a uncomfortable environment for others who belong, in this case your paying boarders...

So the bottom line is do you want a bunch of unknowns on your premise, riding horses not theirs, paying someone for lessons and using your facility you must maintain and not be compensated for?
Do you want the added risk having outsiders present and do you want the boarders from your facility inconvenienced so this person can earn a paycheck off your back?
You are entitled to compensation...
You are entitled to being legally protected for this person running their private business on your property..
You are entitled to demand proof of instructor insured and your farm covered for no liability if a lawsuit happens...
You are entitled to $$ cause if you are not insured you better get insured once outsiders are on your property and you go from boarding to a lesson program for boarders and unknown haul-ins...
You need to put a whole bunch of protocols in place, safeguards for protecting your and your boarders property and hours of operation and enforce them to start with..
Your insurance coverage, your liable agreements just changed for near everything and you added a whole bunch more hiccups to cover to cover you.

But are you "entitled" to a financial stipend, you bet.
You would be foolish not to and not to demand and enforce certain conditions of days, time and hourse be met too.

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Thank you so much for your responses.
Lessons given to outside riding students warrant a facility fee.
Should a fee also apply to the boarders who receive lessons from the boarding instructor? Or if the instructor is also compensated for training rides on the boarders horse during the week?
I think the grey area is that there is built in facility use to ride their own horse, however once a boarding instructor begins to ride other boarders horses for training (also receiving compensation) and also giving lessons to other boarders, it seems there should be a percentage or fee per training ride/lesson since business for the instructor while using our facility, boarders or not.
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To me once brought in a paying position of instructor or training rides done then the liability of the facility for injury or problem just changed.For boarders, yes if the person providing the service is not a barn employee then compensation needs considered since you just got the barn taken out of the equation of making income for providing a facility for services provided...
$10 per ride, per lesson coming from the trainer/instructor to me is fair...or something similar in cost charged.
Use the fee collected to go toward that insurance policy that you just put a rider on to cover the facility and you from lawsuits.
Make sure when you collect those paying understand why you are charging.

That's me, you and your facility are entitled to be compensated for people making $$ off of you.
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Thank you - really appreciate the input!
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