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post #1 of 31 Old 05-17-2019, 09:57 AM Thread Starter
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What would you charge someone to board their horses on your land? The horse owner would provide the horse fence, shelter, any feeding supplies, all feed - besides the pasture grass, and all maintainence on fencing and shelter, and their own storage for horse supplies. The only thing the land owner would provide is use of the land, some electricity for electric fence charger and water from well. Does $60 per horse per horse per month sound reasonable? The horse owner would also do all work and cleanup of horse supplies. The horse owner would do all feeding and watering.
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It depends on where you live and what is provided (of lack of). I don't know where you are, but here, it is still around $300 a month per horse for self-care - no stall. Of course, "self care" is a subjective term and varies, but $300 still feels like getting robbed on the highway. We're kind of just in a general expensive area; a full care board with a stall is $1,000 per month, per horse....

Self care around here follows something like this:

- The property owner supplies the land (and the most of the care of it, such as mowing, if necessary), the initial fence, shelter, water (and will top it off if it gets low), electricity, and will call the vet in an emergency.
- The horse owner will supply everything else, such as food (hay, grain, and supplements), feedings, mucking, farrier, repair anything that the horse broke (such as a fence), cleaning the buckets, etc....

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post #3 of 31 Old 05-17-2019, 11:12 AM
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Depends on the area. Self-care around here is around $150 (per horse) a month or so.

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The Only thing the land owner would provide is the land itself, a very small amount of electricity and drinking water for the horses. The property has no other livestock and land owner does nothing except move round bales occasionally, once per month.
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Depends on the area. Self-care around here is around $150 (per horse) a month or so.
What is included with that price for self care? Does the land owner provide the fencing and shelter? Does the land owner provide anything else?
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Ill give you some comparisons as when I bought my mare I looked at several yards and did an excel sheet. I live in London, UK so the prices are more expensive but for perspective. Basically for:

1. renting the stall
2. use of field for turnout
3. access to clean water
4. access to "basic" electric outlets (note: would you be allowing for electric fencing etc? Direct access or would owner have to charge batter at home etc?)
5. use of muck heap (note: some yards would split the cost of collection with horse owners once every month etc)

The above would cost £40-£45 per week at it's most basic. This is with the expectation that the horse owners would poo pick the fields (important) and provide all other supplies and manual labour. Outside of poo picking it was the property owner's responsibility to ensure safe fencing and grass mowed etc.

My question to you is if you are setting up a contract in regards to grounds safety, such as appropriate and safe fencing etc. What are your liabilities as the property owner? How will you split fencing cost management etc? What if a pipe freezes and bursts? What about the muck heap? In the above costs the yard owners took that responsibility but that was a working yard. Personal property you defo wanna be thinking about these things.
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I can't imagine a reason I would be interested in paying someone a monthly per horse "boarding" fee for a patch of bare land. I'd be more likely to come up with an annual land lease contract and stipulate the kinds of improvements (structures, fencing) allowed on the land. I wouldn't personally be interested in that either- why invest easily $5-10K on shelters and fencing that would be very difficult to take with you when you leave? I think this sort of arrangement for horses would be pretty unusual where I live, though I know of dairy farmers that do this for grazing land.
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post #8 of 31 Old 05-17-2019, 11:40 AM
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A couple of things to look at if you're considering this:

- insurance for the landowner is a necessity. This could raise the price significantly.

- most owners are not going to supply fencing and shelter on their own. If they could do that, they'd buy a piece of land and do it there.

- I've never heard of this arrangement for horses. The landowner at boarding facilities supplies fencing, shelter, and facilities. Usually also includes hay, bedding, and a basic grain as well.

- while we all want to think the horse owner will supply all care, it rarely works that way. What usually happens is that things go along swimmingly for the first few weeks. Then the owner starts skipping some things--- horses aren't fed every day. Water isn't supplied as it should be. Manure starts piling up causing odor and flies. The horses start losing weight or leaning on the fencing or get out because they're hungry and bored. An injury occurs and the owner doesn't notice. The land owner takes pity on the horses and starts caring for them himself/herself. Owner realizes someone else is feeding the horses and comes out even less. If things get bad and the authorities get involved, the land owner will often find themselves liable because the animals are on their property, thus they are in charge of providing food, water, and shelter whether the board agreement says so or not. Additionally, the land owner is liable if a horse were to escape and cause damage--- get into the neighbors garden, or be hit on the road. As the property owner, it's their responsibility to ensure animals cannot cause harm to others.

If I were to run a boarding facility, I would assume responsiblity for the horse's daily care. Not all owners are responsible, and even if they are, you still have stressed horses when some are fed at one time, some at others, some only get fed once a day, others twice or more, some are standing in dirty stalls while others are not, etc. It takes a hard heart to leave a self-care horse nickering hungrily in a dirty pen with no hay while other horses are eating because his owner had something come up at work and hasn't been out. Nope. That horse would be fed before I could sleep at night, and that defeats the whole point of self-care.... my horses right now on on a friend's property. We share cares and whoever is doing chores cares for all of the horses, not just our own. Then we know everyone is fed, happy, healthy and safe.
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The situation is that I have been keeping my horses on my brother's land and am trying to come up with a reasonable amount to pay him for keeping them there. They are good horses, who respect fences. The only thing he has provided is access to water, some electricity for the fence charger and occasional use of the tractor to move round bales, which is no more than once a month from Oct - May. I brought the horse shelter, the shed for feed storage, all fencing materials I am using, and the feed/water troughs. Does $60 a month per horse sound reasonable.
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Around here, most of the owners provide the land, fencing, water, & electricity. Depends on where you go, but the horse owners just pay for the feed/hay, & they are responsible for clean up/muck.

My last barn was self-care, the owner paid for everything except our feed, hay, & we had to clean up after ourselves of course. We also mucked the fields, stalls, etc. They provided electricity, water & fencing. We were responsible for feeding our horses & whatnot. If there was an emergency, they could call our vet for us, but other than that...we were responsible for our horses.

However, your case is VERY different - you would just supply the land...if the horse owner has to provide the fencing & shelter...I don't know if they'd do all that. Maybe some people would, not sure...I wouldn't personally. I'd want the fencing & shelter already there, I wouldn't want to have to put it up myself or be responsible for it.

EDIT: Just saw your most recent post. Okay, well 60 per horse doesn't sound too expensive. I would talk to him to see what he thinks would be reasonable.

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