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post #1 of 28 Old 02-26-2020, 07:05 PM Thread Starter
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What I can expect from the boarding facility?

So I’ve been boarding at a place that over-all is a great fit. It’s pretty low drama, inexpensive ($220/mo) and includes hay, grain, and bedding. I am responsible for cleaning my stall each day. I come in the night, between 8 and 10 pm. When I come my horse has no hay as is the case with all of them, because they don’t feed hay to last them the night. I always threw Benny an extra flake or two because I hate having him be uncomfortable and there are health issues that can arise from not having forage readily available. I am mostly concerned about ulcers which I suspect already, and colic and dental issues are another issue. I was planning on putting in a hay bag to slow feed him hay so that he wouldn’t consume more hay but it would last him longer. I also am using a bit of my own hay too now, they don’t like me feeding extra hay because it gets expensive apparently. I also offered to fill it myself because they can be annoying and time consuming.
Anyways, bottom of the line is, I want my horse to be slow fed throughout the day and night because I believe it is more healthy and I am responsible for his well being, as his owner. However, the barn manager refuses to let me hang one, 1, since she’s afraid he would get caught on it and hurt himself and 2, because it is healthier for them to eat off the ground. I feel like these are both valid points but not reason to refuse me a say in his care? I also haven’t encountered any issues (although I’m sure they exist) with hay bags or nets from the many many people who use them in stalls and pasture.
I made sure it would not cause anyone but myself any extra work or feed, and that it would fully be my responsibility if he hurt himself on it. Still no.
Am I asking too much? I’m pretty po’d about the situation and am even considering moving him to a facility where he can have 24/7 turnout and self care board. Is this an overreaction? I know it won’t hurt much to not have a hay bag, I just do not appreciate being controlled to a T about his care. After all, he’s my horse and I am paying her... and I feel that it is my responsibility to speak up for myself and my horse but I realllly hate confrontation and hate leaving on bad terms.
I could go on about my frustrations and reasoning from the other things she mentioned, but this is the less detail filled and round-about story haha. I’m just looking for advice, thoughts, etc on the situation and what you would do?

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post #2 of 28 Old 02-26-2020, 07:29 PM
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I don't think it's asking too much. I think there are more health risks associated with no forage for extended periods of time than there are health risks associated with eating off the ground. However, at the end of the day, it's a disagreement of services, and both of you - as the provider of the services and the recipient of the services - have the option to agree or disagree to the terms. If you don't feel it's worth your $220, then so be it, you absolutely have the right to leave. You can't force them to do anything, it's their service they provide on their property in their barn, either you agree or disagree to the terms they set forward.

I would make it as easy as I can to say yes. "I will buy the extra hay, I will buy and install my own hay net, I will feed my horse so you don't have to." If they still say no, then it comes down to two things: either pack up and leave, or let them feed your horse the way they want to.

How early do the horses get out or get fed in the morning? If it's 8 am, and you're saying they don't have hay at 8 pm onward, then I wouldn't feel comfortable keeping my horse without any sort of forage for 12 hours. But that's just my opinion. My horse is out 24/7 and she loves it, and I love it too. She is sane (wouldn't be if she was stalled 12+ hours a day) and has 24/7 access to forage and friends.
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I don't think it's asking too much. I think there are more health risks associated with no forage for extended periods of time than there are health risks associated with eating off the ground. However, at the end of the day, it's a disagreement of services, and both of you - as the provider of the services and the recipient of the services - have the option to agree or disagree to the terms. If you don't feel it's worth your $220, then so be it, you absolutely have the right to leave. You can't force them to do anything, it's their service they provide on their property in their barn, either you agree or disagree to the terms they set forward.

I would make it as easy as I can to say yes. "I will buy the extra hay, I will buy and install my own hay net, I will feed my horse so you don't have to." If they still say no, then it comes down to two things: either pack up and leave, or let them feed your horse the way they want to.

How early do the horses get out or get fed in the morning? If it's 8 am, and you're saying they don't have hay at 8 pm onward, then I wouldn't feel comfortable keeping my horse without any sort of forage for 12 hours. But that's just my opinion. My horse is out 24/7 and she loves it, and I love it too. She is sane (wouldn't be if she was stalled 12+ hours a day) and has 24/7 access to forage and friends.
I offered to supply my own net, fill it myself, and provide my own hay, even write up a hold harmless agreement if he would get hurt from it, but it was all still a no. I believe they turn out around 6am and bring in around 4 or 5. They give him a flake then and I’m not super sure about later, but I’ve come to the barn around 7 and he’s had no hay. So I’d say he goes 8-10 hours without forage, if I’m not there to give it to him.

Thanks for the advice, I’ll talk it over with my mom and horse friends and hopefully come to a conclusion that we’re all happy about.

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If the barn objects to a net, would they agree to one of those plastic or rubber barrel-type slow feeders? Those are more expensive than a hay net, but the one-time cost might be worth it if you otherwise like the barn..


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If the barn objects to a net, would they agree to one of those plastic or rubber barrel-type slow feeders? Those are more expensive than a hay net, but the one-time cost might be worth it if you otherwise like the barn..
A good idea, however his stall is pretty small as it is and I wouldn’t want to take up any more room. The hay bag I have right now though is a nylon strap one which I feel would be much harder to get caught in. Also slightly confused with the situation as this was allowed before Benny destroyed the thing and it went out of commission for quite a bit.
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I'll be the "bad guy"...
From the barns point of view..

You want to feed your horse from a slow-feed hay-net.
How many other horses are housed in the barn with yours?
My first gut punch is you are going to feed your horse and not the others kept in the barn with him?
Maybe your horse will be happy but the rest in the barn will not be listening to the munch, the tug, pull and thump of that hay-net for many hours of every night...
I think the barn has concern for other horses developing issues of stall kicking, pacing/walking in agitation and yup, ulcers since they hear but are not offered.
I totally get the barns side of saying no. Forget the risk of any dangers your horse is exposed to..Those dangers are unseen during the quiet of night when the place sleeps and is closed..
You can say that which you want, but by reputation if something were to occur the barn would be held responsible in the horse community.

I do have to ask what kind of hours does your barn have for boarders that it is fine with them you arrive between 8 - 10 PM to clean a stall, awakening many animals that were settling down for the nighttime hours they rest...
Any place I rough-boarded at or worked at stalls had to be cleaned by a particular time every single day, always it was during daylight.
The price you pay is incredible for a stall, hay & feed plus shavings...
Price I pay for a bale of hay, feed and bale/bagged shavings equal what you pay for board or I pay more every month...not one extra penny of profit to cover electric, water, maintenance..forget the land/business taxes.

You have one sweet deal where you are..wow!!
If I could find a place where I live now that offers a stall and all the things you mention for so cheap a cost...
I would be sorely tempted to board my horse again.
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I'll be the "bad guy"...
From the barns point of view..

You want to feed your horse from a slow-feed hay-net.
How many other horses are housed in the barn with yours?
My first gut punch is you are going to feed your horse and not the others kept in the barn with him?
Maybe your horse will be happy but the rest in the barn will not be listening to the munch, the tug, pull and thump of that hay-net for many hours of every night...
I think the barn has concern for other horses developing issues of stall kicking, pacing/walking in agitation and yup, ulcers since they hear but are not offered.
I totally get the barns side of saying no. Forget the risk of any dangers your horse is exposed to..Those dangers are unseen during the quiet of night when the place sleeps and is closed..
You can say that which you want, but by reputation if something were to occur the barn would be held responsible in the horse community.

I do have to ask what kind of hours does your barn have for boarders that it is fine with them you arrive between 8 - 10 PM to clean a stall, awakening many animals that were settling down for the nighttime hours they rest...
Any place I rough-boarded at or worked at stalls had to be cleaned by a particular time every single day, always it was during daylight.
The price you pay is incredible for a stall, hay & feed plus shavings...
Price I pay for a bale of hay, feed and bale/bagged shavings equal what you pay for board or I pay more every month...not one extra penny of profit to cover electric, water, maintenance..forget the land/business taxes.

You have one sweet deal where you are..wow!!
If I could find a place where I live now that offers a stall and all the things you mention for so cheap a cost...
I would be sorely tempted to board my horse again. <img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://www.horseforum.com/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Neutral" class="inlineimg" />
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Good points... I am very thankful for the deal I have and always did feel bad for the other horses who wanted hay but never thought of them going as far as to injure themselves... if that were an issue that she had been thinking of it would have definitely helped to know that though. I do try to be considerate of the other horses by not turning all lights on and being quiet. My work schedule & school just doesn’t allow me to do his stall much earlier most days.

The barn is in sections and there are 4 other horses besides him. She doesn’t feed hay since it is “natural/healthy” for them to take a break from eating for a total of about 8 hours a day... however I believe they are meant to take periodic breaks and not all at once, so if ulcers are a concern I believe they should all have at least a bit of hay overnight. She is okay with him having self provided hay overnight, so cost is part of the problem, I’d say more than jealous horses. The hay bag was to slow him down so he wouldn’t consume more hay but have it last longer, and I was planning to add some of my own hay for variety anyway. I have some more counter arguments but it’s too hard to put into words haha. I suppose I may have overreacted a bit... &#x1f642;

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A good idea, however his stall is pretty small as it is and I wouldn’t want to take up any more room. The hay bag I have right now though is a nylon strap one which I feel would be much harder to get caught in. Also slightly confused with the situation as this was allowed before Benny destroyed the thing and it went out of commission for quite a bit.

If they won't allow a hay net, I would look into something like a Porta-Grazer (or similar). Yes, the hay has to be loaded properly, but if you are willing to do it, at least he won't be without for 10 hours at night.


If he has room to eat hay off the ground, he's got room for a Porta-grazer!


I'm really anal about my horses having food in front of them at all times. It is so much better for their tummies and long term health. Sure, they might not be physically eating the whole time, but I like to at least give them the option.

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A good idea, however his stall is pretty small as it is and I wouldn’t want to take up any more room. The hay bag I have right now though is a nylon strap one which I feel would be much harder to get caught in. Also slightly confused with the situation as this was allowed before Benny destroyed the thing and it went out of commission for quite a bit.

If they won't allow a hay net, I would look into something like a Porta-Grazer (or similar). Yes, the hay has to be loaded properly, but if you are willing to do it, at least he won't be without for 10 hours at night.


If he has room to eat hay off the ground, he's got room for a Porta-grazer!


I'm really anal about my horses having food in front of them at all times. It is so much better for their tummies and long term health. Sure, they might not be physically eating the whole time, but I like to at least give them the option.
Me too! If my horse doesn’t want to eat, that’s totally okay with me, but if he does want to eat and there’s no food in front of him I don’t like that. I’ll have to look into that, thanks.

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I like the idea behind the Porta Grazer. It seems pricey but if it stops even 1 colic or developing ulcers, it will have paid for itself in no time. I can't think why a BO wouldn't allow you to furnish and fill something like this for your horse. I detest hay nets, love the idea but find that my horses can destroy the toughest nets in a matter of hours. This Porta Grazer looks like even my most mischievous horse would eat from it with no problems.

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