AQHA Lawsuit with cloning - Page 2 - The Horse Forum
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 18 Old 07-09-2013, 03:39 PM
Super Moderator
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,719
• Horses: 12
It is based on egg and sperm meeting not replacing genetic material to produce an exact genetic duplicate. AI is still egg and sperm meeting, surrogacy is just replacement though I think you could have some nurture differences that will possibly change the outcome of what you expect in some cases. Cloning means you open up the possibility of people claiming something that is not. How do you differentiate. You can keep all the records you want but you can't back them with DNA if the DNA is the same....
Corporal likes this.
QtrBel is offline  
post #12 of 18 Old 07-09-2013, 03:48 PM
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 113
• Horses: 0
Ugh, repost. Ignore this post
LolHorse is offline  
post #13 of 18 Old 07-09-2013, 03:51 PM
Super Moderator
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 8,719
• Horses: 12
Meant surrogacy is still egg and sperm meeting just placed in an alternate uterus...
QtrBel is offline  
post #14 of 18 Old 07-09-2013, 05:26 PM
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,414
• Horses: 1
Lol. Believe it or not, Clayton is at Buffalo Ranch, where my mare got bred xD
They have him listed on his website as well. Clayton By Gill's Sonny Boy out of Drapers Jay
trainerunlimited is offline  
post #15 of 18 Old 07-10-2013, 11:54 AM
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 479
• Horses: 0
trainerunlimite- haha That's too funny. Small world.

Looks like he's doing pretty well!
Corporal likes this.
JulieG is offline  
post #16 of 18 Old 07-10-2013, 12:05 PM
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: East Central Illinois
Posts: 7,135
• Horses: 3
I am no expert scientist on this issue. I have been studying gardening and have a few thoughts that may help explain why this is NOT a good idea.
First, we know that "Dolly", the first cloned animal (sheep) was cloned from an old sheep's DNA, and was old at birth, and did not live long. A cloned QH would have to be bred ASAP. If it is a mare, we know that breeding older mares isn't a wise thing to do. If it is a stallion, not so much a problem.
Secondly, if we compare domesticated vegetable plants to domesticated animals, the "heirloom" varieties, which have been bred for taste AND hardiness and disease and pest resistances, duplicate true. Hybreds do not. In fact, if you save the seed of a hybred, you might plant it and grow the wild version of the same plant! However, heirloom varieties don't produce as much.
Cloning is, I believe, a way of duplicating directly a valued animal. Someone would probably want to clone horses like "Secretariat" to produce another big money maker. If you are successful at this you essentially
"cheat" the system. You will also reduce the gene pool. When I re-read "Secretariat" the author spoke of his gene pool as diverse--no in-line breeding, and that even in the 1960's TB breeders knew that their shrinking gene pool was a self-made problem.
I hope that they are not successful. IMHO QH's are about the best breed of horse bc the gene pool is wider than the rest, and other breeds have favorably contributed to it. I hope that this doesn't ruin it.

A Jack and Three Queens, the latest book by James C. Dedman,
Hope that you fall in love with "Trot", like I did!
Corporal is offline  
post #17 of 18 Old 07-11-2013, 11:06 AM
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,189
• Horses: 0
We will have no "greats" that stand out if we clone. There will be no "special" horses. The education, time, work involved with breeding responsibly will have no meaning anymore. The appreciation and respect that comes from it won't be there. Everybody will eventually have access to what everyone else has. How "special" is that?
WSArabians and Corporal like this.
goneriding is offline  
post #18 of 18 Old 07-11-2013, 11:04 PM
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Alberta, Canada
Posts: 6,746
• Horses: 12
My opinion? There's a reason why we live and die.
Mother nature is most times best left to her own devices.
rocelynwalker and goneriding like this.

Whispering Secret Arabians
Registered Solid and Sabino Arabians
WSArabians is offline  

Quick Reply

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:


Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Threat of lawsuit hkfarms Horse Law 26 09-22-2012 10:25 PM
Judge Judy boarding lawsuit churumbeque Horse Boarding 20 02-03-2012 09:17 PM
Cloning Rapunzil Horse Breeding 48 01-21-2012 02:01 PM
Cloning horses, what do you think? lara Horse Health 0 01-25-2011 12:58 PM
stupid neighbors, lawsuit, about my dog! *rant* FutureVetGirl General Off Topic Discussion 10 08-23-2008 11:01 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome