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post #1 of 49 Old 04-02-2019, 10:47 PM Thread Starter
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Breeding Grade

I know many people have different opinions on breeding grade. But I have a thing I've been thinking about!
I just bought this 9-year-old 1D barrel mare from a woman I've known for years. This mare is out of Frenchmans Guy (Don't remember what her Dams name was). Before we could get her registered, her Dam passed away while this mare was very young. The AQHA said that we needed to send in a lock of her Dams hair in order to register her and to be quite honest, I don't feel like digging up a dead horse for some hair (didn't even feel like doing that after she was buried and I was informed after).

She has beautiful conformation, color, a great heart, shes got tons of brains, super fast (14.9 on standard patterns), shes seasoned and finished, hauled every weekend but has never been hot at the gate or anywhere around the arena. Very responsive and eager to please, very respectful (we've never really had her be disrespectful aside from the "in heat" season). Sound all around and has been checked for everything from legs up and internally last month (everything is clean).

I have been thinking about breeding her. When she's older and retired from her job, I would LOVE to carry on a piece of her with me into the rodeos when she passes. I would like to hear what you guys have to say about this?
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post #2 of 49 Old 04-02-2019, 10:53 PM
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I wouldn't do it. There are so many 'grade' pure bred horses at the low end auctions it isn't even funny. You can say, "Well I don't intend to ever sell her." but you can't see the future.

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post #3 of 49 Old 04-03-2019, 06:39 AM
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There is zero guarantee that a foal out of this mare would be a good horse for what you want. It'll be at least five years of expense and hard work from breed date before you even start to find out. Instead of that (and for far less expense), you could be bringing along an excellent young replacement who is rideable from day one. If nice young grade QH's were in high demand that would be one thing. But they are a glut on the market and many of them end up on a meat truck for lack of a buyer.

For almost everyone, breeding is a bad idea in this day and age.

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post #4 of 49 Old 04-03-2019, 09:01 AM
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There is zero guarantee that the mare is BY FG.....because most breeders send baby papers in ASAP, and if a mare were lost early, would have notified AQHA of her death, and AQHA should have had a stallion breeding report with DNA to back up the story, and the mare would gotten her papers.

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post #5 of 49 Old 04-03-2019, 09:10 AM
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I donít feel like everyone else. I could care less if a mare were grade if I wanted to breed her. I would be breeding the mare because I liked her, and wanted to continue on with her line crossed with a stud I really liked I thought complemented her.

My parents bred a grade mare four times when I was in high school. Actually five, but she lost the fifth. She was particularly athletic and cowy, and had won a lot of stuff in her younger years. I believe she was grade because she had some Arabian in her, and was originally bred by a very successful cutting horse trainer that was my grandfatherís best friend.

My father bred her to a bit mellower of cowhorse studs. All of her offspring were nice horses. Two were shown and the other two were used as competitive rope horses.

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post #6 of 49 Old 04-03-2019, 09:19 AM
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You have grade and no way to make a baby registered from grade...
Are you going to invest the time and expenses of training and making the offspring really into something as no guarantee any baby is going to inherit the parents gene and work-ethic...no guarantee.
If you're willing to accept the baby for whatever it is in talent, personality, looks and build and train it to be a worthwhile companion in a job it likes and can succeed in...
It is risky...
It is not going to get you a financial return but if having a baby from this mare is so important to you...
A forever home planned and your wishes known by other family members since we also never know our own future...
There are so many grade, really nice grade that are pure-bred...like yours with no proof and no papers...
This baby would start life at a disadvantage in paperwork, but you don't ride papers.
Finding a complementing stallion that will breed to a grade mare...not so easy.
Realize and recognize the risks this mare faces carrying a foal to term, delivering and rearing a baby if she is at a advanced age at that time...
If you still can't imagine not having a baby...
....

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post #7 of 49 Old 04-03-2019, 09:59 AM
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I like grade QHs but I like ones that are proven, but I would never breed one myself for many of the reasons listed above. You can pick up a 3 - 4 year old started QH gelding with amazing papers for around 4K here in Montana. You can get grade horses at auction for $500, sometimes less. Usually they are headed for the meat market so as long as you bid just above meat price you can take one home.

This has strong language in it but it is the best write up of all the reasons the majority of people should not be breeding horses:
https://www.writingofriding.com/in-t...le-idea-guide/

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post #8 of 49 Old 04-03-2019, 10:42 AM
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There are so many mediocre purebred horses around that are basically good for nothing I would actually rather breed from a 'grade' mare that's got proven ability than breed from a pedigree that hasn't.
If you have some proven successful competition record on both sides of a prospective foal's parentage and you are really fussy about conformation then the offspring has a chance.
I wouldn't breed anything if I wasn't at least 90% sure that I was going to keep the result for myself. The market's already flooded and still very volatile.

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post #9 of 49 Old 04-03-2019, 10:59 AM
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You have time to think on it since you aren't planning to breed her until you are ready to retire her from barrels. I have a slightly different opinion from most. I feel like if you are breeding for yourself with no intention to sell and you are looking for the build/conformation/agility she has then why not? Just don't breed to a convenient stud. Pick one that has the build and background you are looking for. And you could look into other registration programs such as a color registry. (depending on what you breed to and what comes out and the rules of the registry).

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You have grade and no way to make a baby registered from grade...
Are you going to invest the time and expenses of training and making the offspring really into something as no guarantee any baby is going to inherit the parents gene and work-ethic...no guarantee.
If you're willing to accept the baby for whatever it is in talent, personality, looks and build and train it to be a worthwhile companion in a job it likes and can succeed in...
It is risky...
It is not going to get you a financial return but if having a baby from this mare is so important to you...
A forever home planned and your wishes known by other family members since we also never know our own future...
There are so many grade, really nice grade that are pure-bred...like yours with no proof and no papers...
This baby would start life at a disadvantage in paperwork, but you don't ride papers.
Finding a complementing stallion that will breed to a grade mare...not so easy.
Realize and recognize the risks this mare faces carrying a foal to term, delivering and rearing a baby if she is at a advanced age at that time...
If you still can't imagine not having a baby...
....
There IS if you want a 1/2 Arabian...

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