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post #1 of 18 Old 01-28-2020, 09:43 PM Thread Starter
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Cow bred QH crossed with Barrel Stallions

I was playing with the idea of breeding filly in the future with a barrel stallion. She is a granddaughter of smart little lena and a great granddaughter to high brow cat and boonbar. She is only 13.5 hands tall, because of that I don't know if the resulting foal would do well. I know that some people like the cutting horses bred to barrel horses, because they tend to love work and can do fast turns. what do you think?
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How old is she? It might be the angle or a weird growth thing, but with how her hind end looks I wouldn't personally look at breeding her at all. It looks very odd to me. Others can give more detailed opinions/critique of the idea.

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She is 3. Can you explain what you mean by her hind end? I personally don't see anything. I already posted her on a conformation page and they didn't say anything about her hind end. These also aren't good conformation photos.
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She is 3. Can you explain what you mean by her hind end? I personally don't see anything. I already posted her on a conformation page and they didn't say anything about her hind end. These also aren't good conformation photos.
Conformation is the biggest component to breeding, in my opinion.

You want to choose a stud to best complement the mare, once she has proved herself competitively. I don't care about horses that would theoretically be good at cow-work with fast turns, unless both of their parents were clearly also good at cow-work with fast turns.
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post #5 of 18 Old 01-28-2020, 11:46 PM Thread Starter
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Conformation is the biggest component to breeding, in my opinion.

You want to choose a stud to best complement the mare, once she has proved herself competitively. I don't care about horses that would theoretically be good at cow-work with fast turns, unless both of their parents were clearly also good at cow-work with fast turns.
I agree that conformation, personality, drive, and genetics are all huge. From my perspective she's good on all of it. This is why I purchased her. I feel she has a lot of potential in cutting; which is what she is bred for. I can't vouch for drive yet.I prefer to wait till she is 3 to start riding her. This is why I am THINKING about breeding her in the future. Since I have not ridden her I am merely curios if one of her foals could would make a good barrel horse. This is completely fun and theoretical for the time being. It is just me having a good time thinking about the possibilities.

I was ASKING what people thought of cutting lines crossed on barrels lines and if they make good barrel horses. Or, would her height be a major hindrance. If you do want to make a comment on conformation you are welcome to do that, but try and explain so I can learn. To me, she looks amazing.
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I know plenty of folks breed younger, but personally I never like to contemplate breeding till the horse is fully grown. At this point, it's unlikely that your mare will sprout up or develop any serious conformation issues, but she might. She looks okay now, but if she doesn't get much taller, she'll likely end up a large pony. I've never registered a horse through the AQHA so I don't know if they have height requirements. At the very least, if she doesn't get much taller, she could pass her shorty genes onto her foal. I don't know if that's something you're concerned about, but it's something you should consider.

The rest of her looks decent to me. I also don't know what Blind Horse Enthusiast said about the hindquarters. They look fine to me. Admittedly these aren't conformation shots, so perhaps if she were stood up properly I'd see what Blind Horse sees as well. Or perhaps she's just standing wonky. I don't know.

I do know that I would never breed a mare who wasn't fully grown. 6 minimum. And I'd want her to have a job, be at least moderately successful at it, be registered, have great conformation, and have a good mind. I'd also want to have a job in mind for the foal. What's your aim here? I'm assuming, from your original post, that you're looking for a catty cutting horse with work ethic. That's excellent, you've already got a plan in mind. I know cutting horses tend to run on the small side, so even if she never grows another inch that might not be a terrible thing for you. For a catty cutter with work ethic, I think your cross would be pretty decent. All the logic seems sound to me.

One more question you ought to think about before breeding - will you still want a cutter out of this mare even if she shows neither the desire nor the aptitude to cut? Obviously breeding is no guarantee of ability - I've seen reiners, barrel racers, ropers, jumpers, all bred out the wazoo for a specific thing, who either hated that thing or were crap at it - so even if this mare can cut the legs off a fly from 100 yards, her foal might not want to or be able to. Or the opposite could happen - the mare could turn out crap at cutting, or hate it, and her foal could be a star. Or, neither of them could like it or be good at it, or both of them. Anything could happen. So. What will you do if the mare hates cutting? The foal? Just something to think about.

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@Daylilly Oops just read that you want a barrel racer out of this mare. Same questions and answers above still apply, only now I'm not sure if your mare's height (and the height of the resulting foal) will be a hindrance. What I know about barrel racing could probably fill a thimble, so I'm not sure if a shorty will be a help or a hindrance chasing cans. I would assume shorter horses turn better? But I can't say for certain.

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Kaifyre thanks for your input. I would wait to see how she turns out. I am just asking what people's thoughts are on her size for that kind of a cross. Cutting horses can be super short! There is no height requirement in AQHA, she is already registered. In fact, her grand sire Smart Little Lena was only 13.3 hands. He earned over 39 million dollars and is in the AQHA hall of fame. However, both her parents are taller than 14 hands. Her mom, I think was bred really young and I've heard that it can affect the growth of a foal. I'm not sure how though. So if anybody knows, i'd love to hear it (not that I approve of breeding young. I think it was one of those situations that they thought she was too young, but she wasn't. I am just guessing though. The ranch that bred her has a really good reputation. They show their stallions and have really good quality Quarter horses. So that is the only way I can figure it happened).
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13.5 hands is 14.1 hands. Just so you know.

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This time of year it is fun to play fantasy mare match up. I know I get baby fever with all the stallion auctions going on.
In my area a lot of people cross running horses on cow horses. Depending on the cross they make barrel and/or ranch horses. I don't know what the desirable or "magic" crosses are for barrel horses as I don't keep up on barrel horses anymore.

I wouldn't be worried about size really, athleticism comes in all sizes. As a cow horse person I prefer a smaller horse. You don't see many horses over 15HH in the money in cow horse events. I have two cow bred mares under 14HH and they both have wheels and athletic I wouldn't rethink breeding them just because of their height even if I wanted to breed for a barrel horse.

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