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post #1 of 30 Old 09-25-2020, 08:59 PM Thread Starter
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danger to mare from much heavier stallion?

Right, so a mule might be 'too hard basket' to breed - occurred that my mare hasn't ever met a donkey - been trying to organise some 'meet & greets' to remedy that - and may be... less than amorous towards a Jack. Apparently they aren't very reliable as to whether they hold a mule fetus either...

So... considering other breeds. I'd love a big stocky thing, but for a number of reasons, not sure if a clydie x would be a good move(open to hearing opinions on this). But one issue, if considering live coverage is the weight of a big clyde on her back. Is this a problem or not really? She is well built, but not particularly stocky...
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not a cross I would go for. The old saying "blood to bone" usually gives what you want, a bigger boned foal.

For a first time foaling the risks of the mare being torn can be way greater than using a lighter stud.
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What does 'the old saying blood to bone' mean? Yeah, I know clyde x's are popular & can be gorgeous & athletic, and I would love a clydie, but I've seen quite a few 'mix &... not quite match' crosses, which is mostly why I'm a bit hesitant. The other 'heavy' (but I don't think too heavy??) option is a Friesian. What say you on that note Fox??
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When I was going to breed my 15.1hh Paint mare to a 18hh Shire, the breeder assured me that all would go well without any issues from the size/weight difference of the horses. She said she breeds her 14hh mare to one of her other stallions that is just under 19hh quite often, well she's bred them for the past 3-4 years.

Id say it depends on the mare/stallion. For me if AI had been an option, I probably would have felt a lot better about it. But it worked itself out anyway as I went with a Paint instead of the Shire anyways.

As far as breeding to donkeys go....a breeder friend of mine said twins are much more common, and that they can have something opposite of eachother (mare and foal) to where drinking the mare's milk causes them harm until they are treated? Dont quote me 100% as its just what Ive been told, and obviously dont have all the facts
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Blood over bone, not the other way around. If you use a lighter stallion over a heavy mare you get a better, more athletic, more consistent type. I don't know WHY it goes that way, but it's been the wisdom for decades at least, and seems to hold true. The heaviest I'd choose for a light mare is a warmblood, and even then I'd hesitate before I bred to an old style heavy type warmblood, just because the type is more consistent if the mare is heavier than the stallion.

There are Friesians who are a good type to cross to light mares. There's even a breeder in my state who largely breeds Friesian x TB (and of course a couple of purebreds a year as well) and her horses are LOVELY. A friend of mine owns one, and he's a really nice type, with a beautiful temperament.
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The shire mare has more room for a bigger foal hence you are more likely to get a more 'solid' foal.

Personally I am not over keen on Fresians, don't know why, could be that I do not like long thick manes and tails dragging on the ground. LOL.

I would rather use a good Welsh Sec D than a Fresian.

Foals I have seen bred from lighter mares often tend to have the profile of the Shire, don't know why but they do.
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I know someone who bred a gaited mare to a donkey. The resulting mule foal is less then desirable, he's funky put together confirmation wise. Mare isn't the best looking ,so probably has a lot to do with resulting foal.

I've seen some really nice looking mule foals in past.
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To give one example, we had two mares at one time that were both Cleveland Bay x TB.
The mare that was by a TB stallion out of a CB mare was 16.3 and big boned like a typical CB
The mare that was by a CB out of a TB mare was 15 hands and looked like a sturdy TB in build.

It doesnt always work out that way, but the offspring will usually lean towards the build and height of the mare.

If I was wanting to breed a stockier horse/pony that was going to be roughly the same height as the pony Id use a Welsh D or a Highland or maybe a quality Gypsy cob.
If I was just looking for more height Id use a TB, Trakhener or a WB.
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I do wonder what would result if I bred my big TB mare to a Cleveland Bay. She's 16.3 and built like the side of a barn, meaning she's probably closer in type to a CB than most TB mares, meaning she'd be more likely to produce a similar type to herself. Which is definitely not a bad thing.

But then when I play with the idea semi-seriously it's always the lighter type stallions I favour for her. The two at the top of my shortlist are both Akhal Tekes. I feel like I'd get a better result choosing a stallion lighter than her. She'd offer more substance to such a cross, and she's quite compact, which might help counteract the length that's so common in Tekes.

All that being said, breeding her is purely a hypothetical unless I somehow magically find the money for embryo transfer, because I will NOT risk this mare.
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I can't speak to your specific breeds but I can talk about my QHs. Skippy is a good sized boy, not huge, but not little either. He's about 15.3 and in pasture condition weighs in at about 1500 lbs, so roughly 700 Kg. He's a big, stout halter bred boy who just happens to be nice and athletic. Owners of cow bred mares, ropers, cutters, etc, who are looking for a little more height than their 14-14.1 hands and roughly 800 - 1000 lbs, 360 Kg to 450 Kg, frequently book to him.

I used to live cover but over time discovered that we had to have a strong human on the mare to help her stand her ground or Skippy would push her all over the place while breeding, making things pretty precarious. He also got kind of reluctant to breed them, they were just too small for comfort for him. We now collect him and AI with fresh semen, no extenders no cooling and have an excellent success rate.

The foals come out proportional but tend to get slightly larger than their dams, anywhere from 14.2 - 15 hh and very stocky. Here's a couple pics from this year. Obviously, we don't run into the "parts that don't quite fit" because it's the same breed but I, personally, would prefer the 'blood to bone' vs the opposite. I think that's why breeding Skippy to Boo worked out so well, both were big, stout animals and their foals tended to be bigger and stockier than either of them.

The 3rd pic is one of Skippy & Boo's foals at about 2 years old and 16.3 hands. A bit weedy, of course, because he'd not filled out yet.
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