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post #1 of 9 Old 09-15-2017, 02:31 AM Thread Starter
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Hi! Hopefully I'm in the right area, but I'm looking for some opinions/advise on the viability of leasing my mare out as a broodmare for her first foal.

Long story short, I would love to breed my mare in the future, have already asked my vet if she thinks she would make a good candidate (based on conformation, breeding, temperament, etc.) and was given a very solid 'yes'. Unfortunately as life has it, I do not have the funds at the moment, so my mom suggested free leasing her to get her bred, as she is a 15 year old maiden and not getting any younger.

My questions is, what do you think my chances are finding someone who would be willing to breed to a maiden? I fully understand all the legalities involved, but am looking more for suggestions on how to advertise such a mare?

Thanks for any help! Eventually when the time comes I'll have to ask opinions on who to breed her to!
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post #2 of 9 Old 09-15-2017, 04:25 AM
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For starters, what does your mare do? What makes her worthy of passing on her genes? Does she have a show record? Is she registered? What have her parents done? Any health issues? Have you done genetic testing on her? How's her conformation?

All stuff a potential leasor would want to know for a broodmare.

Also, I'm just wondering if you know exactly what a broodmare lease would be. While you may be able to approve the stud, you won't be picking it. You understand that you wouldn't be keeping the foal, right?
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post #3 of 9 Old 09-15-2017, 06:18 AM
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There is a lot of stuff that needs to be done before you breed a mare. You have to have her examined to make sure that she is reproductively sound. And the vet doesn't do that by just looking at her. Before that you have to decide if she is worthy of breeding. I personally don't think that being shown to this level or that level is an absolute criteria. I know plenty of brood mares that produce gorgeous foals and the mare has never even seen a horse show. You do want to make sure that the probability of her throwing a nice foal is a good one. Then you start looking for the sire.

When looking for a stud, you will want to find a stud that compliments your mare.
You will be contacting the stud owners and asking them all kinds of questions. Most stud owners will want to see the mare that they are contemplating breeding there stud to and approve her. They want to make sure the offspring that he produces is the best quality as well and the mare is 50% of that equation.

When you lease a mare for breeding purposes, yes you do keep the foal. What the other person said is not true. When you register a foal you have to be the owner of the mare or leasing the mare at the actual time of foaling for the foal to belong to you. Of course, the actual owners of the mare have to know about you wanting to breed her.

It's not typical to advertise a mare for breeding unless you are the owner of the mare and you are looking for someone to lease her for breeding.

What breed of horse is she and what are you thinking to breed her to?

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post #4 of 9 Old 09-15-2017, 07:54 AM
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@LoriF , did I miss something? I though if you are leasing a mare out as a broodmare isn't the point to get a baby for the leaser? Otherwise why would someone want to lease a broodmare?
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@LoriF , did I miss something? I though if you are leasing a mare out as a broodmare isn't the point to get a baby for the leaser? Otherwise why would someone want to lease a broodmare?


No you didn't. I'm the one who missed it. I thought that they wanted to lease mare for breeding


Sorry, I usually read things more carefully. I don't even know how I missed all of that. I guess my brain has been on overload the last week and a half.

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post #6 of 9 Old 09-15-2017, 12:04 PM
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Hi! Hopefully I'm in the right area, but I'm looking for some opinions/advise on the viability of leasing my mare out as a broodmare for her first foal.

Long story short, I would love to breed my mare in the future, have already asked my vet if she thinks she would make a good candidate (based on conformation, breeding, temperament, etc.) and was given a very solid 'yes'. Unfortunately as life has it, I do not have the funds at the moment, so my mom suggested free leasing her to get her bred, as she is a 15 year old maiden and not getting any younger.

My questions is, what do you think my chances are finding someone who would be willing to breed to a maiden? I fully understand all the legalities involved, but am looking more for suggestions on how to advertise such a mare?

Thanks for any help! Eventually when the time comes I'll have to ask opinions on who to breed her to!

Perhaps I misread this, but typically a breed lease entails that the person leasing said mare would receive the resulting foal?... You get your barren mare back when the foal is weaned... Odds of someone free leasing your mare to impregnate her and then go ahead and hand over the mare and resulting foal seems incredibly unlikely...

Plenty of studs are willing to breed a maiden, similarly plenty of vets are capable of getting older maiden mares to catch, and thus plenty of older maiden mares foal out every year... Though older maiden mares tend to be more difficult to "catch" which invariably will cost more money... It's not for the faint of heart, or light of pocket book... We bred an older maiden mare this year who had fairly textbook, and I'll add minor issues, associated with being an older maiden mare (she's 9). When it was all said and done we had spent thousands of dollars and over 5 months of "trying" to get a viable embryo... She was at a facility since May (Will be until Oct.) being managed by incredibly experienced and very knowledgable folks during this time, cycles tracked, ultrasound more times than I can even remember, several rounds of hormone manipulation for various things, examination by other vets, cultures, antibiotics, lavages, etc... We're still holding our breath that she'll keep holding onto it and carry it to full term...

Due impart to the above mentioned, it will be more difficult to find a reputable breeder (unless your mare is of incredible quality/breeding) willing to take on a lease of an older unproven brood mare. Just so many unknowns, you don't know how difficult she will be in management of cycles, how her uterus will react to this "foreign substance", you don't know what traits the mare strong in throwing, etc,....

I agree with the above mentioned, she will need a thorough reproductive soundness exam... Which includes getting her insides examined by ultrasound for any abnormalities... If you're serious about breeding her, have them also perform a full culture AND cytology preferably during estrus... Discuss conformation of her vulva... And DEFINITELY make absolutely sure she isn't a carrier of any hereditary genetic disorders.
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post #7 of 9 Old 09-15-2017, 01:14 PM
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You'll be ahead of the game to buy a weanling. There are a ton of them available this time of year, and prices are low. A quality weanling with good conformation from well-bred lines can be had for $450 - $2500----- all well below what you'll spend to do the necessary legwork and vet care for your mare, and that's with a textbook pregnancy and no issues foaling.

Most vets will tell anyone that their mare is breeding quality, because people don't want to hear someone they pay tell them their horse isn't worthy of reproducing. I wouldn't use your vet's opinion on anything but whether she's breeding sound after a reproductive exam.
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I'll give my opinion both ways (as owner of an older mare and someone looking to lease a mare for breeding).

If I owned an older maiden mare and she meant anything to me I would not advertise her as mare available for leasing for the purpose of breeding at all. Especially not just to have her bred because you want to see her bred and you personally can't afford it. The chances of something going wrong and you losing her would be too high IMO and that for a foal that would not be yours. You would also have to realize if you did find someone that would be interested they may say only if she is under their care where 100% liability for the pregnancy is theirs. That means while you may get to see her, ridding her or working her may be out. If I wanted to breed an older mare that I was attached to and I couldn't afford it then depending on her age I may revisit the situation in a couple of years and if the vet gave a hearty 100% OK and sound I'd still think long and hard.

If I were looking for a mare to lease and I have considered this route a time or two I would not lease a maiden mare. It wouldn't matter the age. I would want a mare that I could see what she has produced. Know what they are capable of and have a breeding history so I had an idea about what I was getting into. I say this because while I know any mare may not take I would want one that takes consistently the first time. There are many breeders that I know with stallions I would want to breed to that have a selection of mares available for this purpose that I would go with what is available through them if I was not using a mare of my own.

If you really want a baby for yourself from this mare and she is all you say and the vet also does a complete reproductive soundness exam that she passes I would start considering stallions now and putting my money away. Choose more than one that you think would complement her and follow them and their get to see if you are still interested when you are ready.
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post #9 of 9 Old 09-19-2017, 12:53 PM
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I have a friend who did this. She was really short on time and switching jobs. Had heavily considered selling the mare before she decided to offer her up for a free broodmare lease. Buys the owner 18 months of no horse expenses without loosing a horse you have spent years training and bonding too. The mare was 10 or 11 years old at the time, maiden, well bred, good mover, and a good all around riding horse, but she had no show record (other than some CTCs - trail rides). The lessee picked up the mare in February, had the vet do some checks, bred her AI. Had a very healthy foal born the next April and the mare was returned in October. The lessee stayed in touch well and my friend went out the visit the mare on a couple of occasions. The mare's feet were not in great shape when she was returned, the lessee had definitely gone too long between some trims - and admitted it, but she did take the mare into the vet for a skin condition she had always had that got much worse that year and the lessee payed all those bills. Ultimately, it worked out for my friend with no real harm done, but there is a lot of risk. If you go forward, I would advise leasing her somewhere close and getting rights to unannounced (or minimally announced) visits, and do use them. Go up, check on her throughout the time to make sure they're keeping her in good condition. You do still risk losing the mare to birthing complications even with the best of care.
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