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post #21 of 30 Old 02-14-2010, 04:57 PM
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Yes but pretty and personable doesn't always equal quality. Conformation, ability and bloodlines are what make a top quality horse. I have met quite a few top quality horses, and the majorty of them had sucky temperaments. If you can get all of the aspects of quality, then go for it. But don't short out on the other parts because that's where many breeders go wrong, IMO. I also believe that to be a competent and decent breeder you need to be well versed in the aspects of conformation, because if you overlook something then you may end up with a horse that could end up being a conformational trainwreck.
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post #22 of 30 Old 02-14-2010, 07:29 PM
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>>>> And for arabians the smaller is usually better. For the foal I am wanting to show and possibly breed it when it gets older, I am not picking about what exactly we show in most the time I base it of what the horse individual likes to do I am not picky I love all types of riding. I probably will want to show it in halter to tho but like I said only if the foal is right for that.

Actually, if you are planning on showing, smaller is NOT better. Most competitive Arabians are not small-- not neccessarily HUGE, but definitely most that are successful in halter and other show ring events are taller than 14.1, which the black stallion's ad say he is.

Are there any Arabian shows near you? It IMO would be a good idea for you to attend a few if at all possible and see the different horses being shown and the variety of disciplines and classes offered. Make some contacts/friends in the Arab showing and breeding world. You might even get some recommendations for additional stallions to consider.

If you are willing to go with the stallion that only offers AI, you might consider looking outside your local area for a stallion that can be collected and then semen shipped to your vet-- you might find costs tobe comparable, and you might get more "bang for your buck" as far as a proven stallion.

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post #23 of 30 Old 02-14-2010, 09:59 PM
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I would like to see more of Shahgal. I Love his sire, Gazal al Shaqab was a World Champion stallion (Paris 2005) US National Reserve champion, Middle East Champion and sire of World and National Champion Marwan Al Shaqab who is one of the leading sires right now. Gazal has also sired National winners in Poland, Canada and more!!

Shahgals dam is a personal favorite of mine, one of Khemosabi's best daughters and an excellent producer. I own a Gazal son and know quite a few Gazal horses personally, they have all had very good temperments and were easy to work around. The Khemosabi temperment is known throughout the world to have incredible temperments and great work ethics. I would think that temperment would not be an issue in this horse.

Again, one would need to see some side view conformation pictures and a video to judge better (seeing in person is the best)

I will be down in Scottsdale this week, maybe I can see him in person?? Is he stabled at the grounds??



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post #24 of 30 Old 02-14-2010, 10:22 PM Thread Starter
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I would like to see more of Shahgal. I Love his sire, Gazal al Shaqab was a World Champion stallion (Paris 2005) US National Reserve champion, Middle East Champion and sire of World and National Champion Marwan Al Shaqab who is one of the leading sires right now. Gazal has also sired National winners in Poland, Canada and more!!

Shahgals dam is a personal favorite of mine, one of Khemosabi's best daughters and an excellent producer. I own a Gazal son and know quite a few Gazal horses personally, they have all had very good temperments and were easy to work around. The Khemosabi temperment is known throughout the world to have incredible temperments and great work ethics. I would think that temperment would not be an issue in this horse.

Again, one would need to see some side view conformation pictures and a video to judge better (seeing in person is the best)

I will be down in Scottsdale this week, maybe I can see him in person?? Is he stabled at the grounds??



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Yes they said they had to take down there decor and stuff so if you do see him you will have to let me know about him because she said she couldnt get pictures untill they get back around the 26th.
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post #25 of 30 Old 02-14-2010, 10:23 PM Thread Starter
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>>>> And for arabians the smaller is usually better. For the foal I am wanting to show and possibly breed it when it gets older, I am not picking about what exactly we show in most the time I base it of what the horse individual likes to do I am not picky I love all types of riding. I probably will want to show it in halter to tho but like I said only if the foal is right for that.

Actually, if you are planning on showing, smaller is NOT better. Most competitive Arabians are not small-- not neccessarily HUGE, but definitely most that are successful in halter and other show ring events are taller than 14.1, which the black stallion's ad say he is.

Are there any Arabian shows near you? It IMO would be a good idea for you to attend a few if at all possible and see the different horses being shown and the variety of disciplines and classes offered. Make some contacts/friends in the Arab showing and breeding world. You might even get some recommendations for additional stallions to consider.

If you are willing to go with the stallion that only offers AI, you might consider looking outside your local area for a stallion that can be collected and then semen shipped to your vet-- you might find costs tobe comparable, and you might get more "bang for your buck" as far as a proven stallion.
I will try to find some but theres not to many around here but I am going to be helping a lady sell her horses train and show them so that should help.
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post #26 of 30 Old 02-15-2010, 12:03 PM
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I'm a little confused. You are looking for a stallion to breed your mare to but you are offering several horses, stallions included, for sale as a dispersal.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

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post #27 of 30 Old 02-15-2010, 11:32 PM
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I used to work at Arabian farm where the cheapest horse was over $300,000 as a yearling and they dealt with Freeland Farms quit a bit and the quality of horses they produce is definitly worth the breeding fee regardless of his show history. I also show an Egyptian arab and Shahgal definitly has the better Arab conformation. Black Jack looks like he has a very sweet personality but hes a little stocky for an arab. All in all though your decision should be based on what horse you like better and which one you think your mare will produce the best foal with. I know when we make decisions on which sire to breed to we definitly take a look at conformation first and then personality and so far thats worked best for us.
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post #28 of 30 Old 02-15-2010, 11:40 PM
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I don't like Black Jack at all - Much to coarse through the neck and gullet for my liking (for an Arab). I like the other one better, but don't like the fact that he is as yet unproven.

Twilight - The stallion you posted is breathtaking! That will be one cute bubba!

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post #29 of 30 Old 02-16-2010, 01:43 AM Thread Starter
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I'm a little confused. You are looking for a stallion to breed your mare to but you are offering several horses, stallions included, for sale as a dispersal.
The ones for sale I am selling and showing for a lady who is giving me one of her stallions and free board but he is just now turning 3 in the spring/summer (all the stallions are except the 2008 colt) and I am trying to wait to breed him and show him, etc. plus I might breed the foal to him when it gets older if its a filly.
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post #30 of 30 Old 02-16-2010, 01:44 AM Thread Starter
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I used to work at Arabian farm where the cheapest horse was over $300,000 as a yearling and they dealt with Freeland Farms quit a bit and the quality of horses they produce is definitly worth the breeding fee regardless of his show history. I also show an Egyptian arab and Shahgal definitly has the better Arab conformation. Black Jack looks like he has a very sweet personality but hes a little stocky for an arab. All in all though your decision should be based on what horse you like better and which one you think your mare will produce the best foal with. I know when we make decisions on which sire to breed to we definitly take a look at conformation first and then personality and so far thats worked best for us.
I agree, Black Jack is stocky and I think Shahgal would look better with my mare, thanks
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