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post #11 of 31 Old 03-22-2018, 07:41 AM
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Since she's 19 and you've had her for 15 of those years, I'm going to say she's probably a maiden mare? Never had a foal before this one? So lack of a bag wouldn't necessarily be a sign that she's not in foal, they frequently don't drop their milk until they've foaled. She looks like she could still be pregnant, so I'd proceed as if she was. Either way, you probably have around a month before you'll know for sure. She could have aborted between 8-9 months, that's when the foal gets really active in there and could have gotten twisted up and died. If the foal was dead inside her, I would expect to be seeing green discharge from the infection it would cause. Has she had her vaccinations? If not, now is the time to do it so she has her immunity as high as it can be to pass on to the foal.

I have a mare who is 311 days in foal today, maiden, and no udder development at all. She is confirmed in foal, visibly pregnant (small inside, she's HUGE) but her udders are still very flat.

Personally, I would load her up and haul her to the OSU breeding farm and have her properly checked and you'd know for certain.


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I don't think she looks in foal and I'd be expecting some kind of udder development by this stage... Only other thing I could think of would be if the breeding dates are wrong? Which sounds like it could be a possibility. If she aborted after the 7 month stage, you should have found a dead foal in the pasture (unless dogs/other wildlife took it). 'Foal movemet' is often mistaken for general gut movement so is not a reliable indicator. An ultrasound at this stage probably won't show you much and a palpation should give you a much better picture- the foal should be 'right there' if she is past that 300 day mark. You can blood test and have her estrogen levels checked, I believe these are fairly accurate after 120 days, but palpation would probably be easier and cheaper with a much quicker turn around. As it stands, I would be quite surprised if this mare is still in-foal; she's certainly doing a good job of hiding it!
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I've gone to checking her twice a day 🙈 I feel like a crazy person hahaha. This is her this morning. Her teats have really started to sag, still nothing huge like a milk up but definitely more stretched and rounder. I'm now going to include side udder pics and I may include evening and morning pics too. Because I'm crazy, but again, when I had questions I didn't find any pictures of udder development this early. 👍 The 208 picture is supposed to be a 308 lol
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Sounds like you need a good vet to check her properly, rather than just posting pics here. If the foal did die & she aborted, would you have definitely found it in the paddock or could dogs or such have taken it?
Dogs and things would have definitely run off with it. Nothing dead stays hurried or laying for long around here. She seems to be developing an udder now. But I'm going to be guarded until I see any real change.
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She doesn't look pregnant, but you say at some point you saw the foal moving? and it hasn't moved for a long time?

is it possible the foal has died , inside her? if so, would that be dangerous, meaning a difficult miscariage?
I would think more of the lines of she aborted it than it was still in there. She has no fever, no discharge, no signs at all of carrying a dead fetus around.
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Since she's 19 and you've had her for 15 of those years, I'm going to say she's probably a maiden mare? Never had a foal before this one? So lack of a bag wouldn't necessarily be a sign that she's not in foal, they frequently don't drop their milk until they've foaled. She looks like she could still be pregnant, so I'd proceed as if she was. Either way, you probably have around a month before you'll know for sure. She could have aborted between 8-9 months, that's when the foal gets really active in there and could have gotten twisted up and died. If the foal was dead inside her, I would expect to be seeing green discharge from the infection it would cause. Has she had her vaccinations? If not, now is the time to do it so she has her immunity as high as it can be to pass on to the foal.

I have a mare who is 311 days in foal today, maiden, and no udder development at all. She is confirmed in foal, visibly pregnant (small inside, she's HUGE) but her udders are still very flat.

Personally, I would load her up and haul her to the OSU breeding farm and have her properly checked and you'd know for certain.
She is maiden, this would be her first ever. Vaccines are scheduled for Saturday, same ole cow vet doing them. She is physically fine. I take her temp every night and check her parts too. She shows zero signs of an infection. She is her same ole spunky self. Gives the boys hell everyday like always.
If it is still kicking I probably just can't tell. I usually tie her up after feeding and watch her belly. But she sighs, or catches a wif of something and has to sniff the air, or the boys are up there in her face making her do the mean mare face, even though she will stand board still for hours her belly is never still because she does all that mess. At this point it would be a hard kick down I know so maybe it is a night owl. IDK.
Last time I felt it up in that hollow space in front of her leg and it was a tiny something basically poking my hand and doing a few downward kicks. That was about midnight when I saw it. Maybe I'll try catching her up late tonight and see if it's moving. Of course if she holding it that tight the little booger doesn't have much more room to move.
I uploaded more udder pics. They are getting saggier. 👍 I'll see about that vet. A long haul up to OSU is not something I think would be good for her. Especially not knowing for sure.
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I don't think she looks in foal and I'd be expecting some kind of udder development by this stage... Only other thing I could think of would be if the breeding dates are wrong? Which sounds like it could be a possibility. If she aborted after the 7 month stage, you should have found a dead foal in the pasture (unless dogs/other wildlife took it). 'Foal movemet' is often mistaken for general gut movement so is not a reliable indicator. An ultrasound at this stage probably won't show you much and a palpation should give you a much better picture- the foal should be 'right there' if she is past that 300 day mark. You can blood test and have her estrogen levels checked, I believe these are fairly accurate after 120 days, but palpation would probably be easier and cheaper with a much quicker turn around. As it stands, I would be quite surprised if this mare is still in-foal; she's certainly doing a good job of hiding it!
She's always been a very muscular girl. She's also always kept her figure hahaha I suppose is the TB in her. I'll have the equine vet come out I guess. His farm fee is just freaking outrageous. But I guess that's better than nothing! I'll call him and see what he can do.
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She's always been a very muscular girl. She's also always kept her figure hahaha I suppose is the TB in her. I'll have the equine vet come out I guess. His farm fee is just freaking outrageous. But I guess that's better than nothing! I'll call him and see what he can do.
I've attached a picture (apologizes for the quality! I only had my phone and it was a very foggy/misty day) of my WB x TB mare just prior to foaling, I think she foaled four-five days later, as a comparison- she was a maiden mare, didn't really look overly pregnant, especially in those last few days once the foal has changed position. She had already had a pretty decent bag at this point, and had obvious development in that area roughly a month prior to foaling- unfortunately I don't have any photos of that >.< I've seen mares look like yours, who have gone on to foal healthy babies, but it is usually accompanied by more significant bag development. However, it could just be your breeding dates where slightly wrong, she may go over the average 'due date' of 342 days or she may bag up quickly. One thing I do know about breeding, is there is little rhyme or reason to the things mares do :p I keep um-ing and ah-ing over those last pictures you posted, I can't decided whether her bag has changed at all. Keep tabs on it over the next few days and it may be easier to pick a difference. A palpation from the equine vet will give you the 'quickest' answer as to 'is she or isn't she' or the other option is to get her vaccinations done and then wait and see.
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If the foal had died at that later age and remained inside her she'd probably be dead herself by now.
If she'd aborted and you check her regularly, even if you missed the remains you'd see some signs of the fluids in her tail and on her back legs.
I wouldn't want to trust that vet as an ELISA test will give a correct result up to a couple of weeks before foaling. He also didn't use the correct method to check manually.
Its very easy to confuse foal movement with gut movement so I wouldn't rely on that.
The mare certainly doesn't look in foal - I've known a couple of people who unknowingly bought in foal mares and hunted them all season so they were really fit and muscled but they still looked like they'd gained a lot of weight - it just didn't 'hang' in the way an unworked mare's 'baby bump' does.
Its possible that she's never been pregnant and the milk is just a phantom pregnancy symptom from being so close to stallions - I had a mare lactating like a dairy cow all last year and knew for a fact that she'd never been near a stallion. We still don't know why she did it but it just stopped.
Mares surprise us all the time so she could well produce a foal - if it was me I'd have that test done or get the horse vet out with his ultra-sound machine so I was either prepared or could put it out of my mind
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@cbako01 she looks pretty chunky there!! I'll just have to bite the farm charge. Yikes. Hahaha got some bills to pay so it may be a hot minute before I can have Mr big shot come out.
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