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post #51 of 56 Old 11-24-2014, 07:26 PM
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The filthy ones are all from today. Collectively these pictures are from Nov 16 to today. The first picture I showed ya'll is from the 16th. She had a round of Diarrhea and (thankfully) I believe it's almost over this time. So the filthy pic is today. Nasty weather all day. Tomorrow her and Headshot are both getting a full cleaning. Both got a grooming today after those pics ( i dunno why I take the worst pics possible of them and the compare to previoys ones). This is where she was the day she foaled
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post #52 of 56 Old 11-24-2014, 10:38 PM
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She is obviously very thin. Don't get me wrong. BUT I definitely feel like there is something health wise going on (glad the diarrhea was short lived I was going to ask it that was "normal" for her) and quite possibly a muscle wasting disease (PSSM but ask your vet about anything else that could cause that). I just feel like there is far more to her "look" then just weight. In some places she looks like she has muscle loss and the saggy belly is quite likely related to weak muscling (and of course a foal lol).

I feel there is more of a muscle/health issue then just a weight issue atm and if she doesn't do well any heavier then this I would try to keep her "there" and wait and see what the vet says on PSSM/similar issues/overall health.

I COMPLETELY sympathize with having a thin horse. Our old mare had stomach issues and we were working closely with a vet. She was VERY loved and cared for but emaciated, though happy and relatively healthy otherwise. I would of been devastated if someone had felt the need to get involved (or gone rummaging through stuff on our private property). I would send you a picture but I don't have any on this computer. It was very hard. Hugs!
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post #53 of 56 Old 11-25-2014, 01:26 AM
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I had an Appaloosa stallion that I raised. Yes, who keeps a horse as a stud for 14 years when they don't intend to breed him. But he was a special case, a trustworthy teddy bear that had some ornaments. I wanted to geld him late because I wanted him to get those gorgeous cheeks :) when he was 3yrs old he started losing condition and fast. He wasted away to skin and bones, but was getting plenty of groceries. The vet came out, ran labs and all were fine. He and the whole practice were stumped and recommended we consider putting him down. At the lowest weight and condition he stayed there for 2 weeks and finally began putting weight back on. He would be great for a long time with nice muscles and then he would do it again. There was no pattern at all. He would go 6 to 18 months between these episodes. After his second episode and more labs that were good we then managed him on our own since he never seemed at an energy loss and other than appearance he was never out of sorts. He was by a zippo pine bar and bright eyes brother bred stud and oUT of an appy mare that had poco Bueno on her papers. We bought the mare in foal and she was ,supposed to have performance points. Realized after she foaled that she was actually unbroke. The woman we got her from decided that she was going to repossess the pair since we complained that the mare was not as stated. She cashed our check, but when dealing with people with more money than brains you should remember that you will always get screwed. Woman inherited millions of dollars, enough to spend 2 million on an appaloosa stud and not bat an eye.
Anyway, she stated that our contract was for the foal only not the pair and that money we paid was for leasing the mare from 9 months pregnant until foal was weaned at barely 3 months (5 months) the mare was a horrible mother and was abusive to little Gizmo. She was good til he was one month old then she seemed to be trying to wean him. She had to be hobbled so she didn't hurt him.

Anyway, she did the same thing when he was born, all through the topline muscle just gone. We were concerned but she didn't go to the extreme your mare has, or her son did as well and she went back to Florida as soon as Gizmo was weaned.
unfortunately, we decided to let Gizmo go to a friend of the family. He did the same thing that he has always done and turned into skelator pony and she had him put down. She knew about this strange condition and that he pulls out of it. I wish I had been informed prior to her making that choice, yes it looks alarming as hell, no it's not contagious and he always came back to himself. I would have brought him home in a heartbeat! Gizmo was the sweetest critter :(

Sometimes an owners lack of care ends up better than some overzealous owner ready to jump the gun and save their horse from any suffering. If people chose the care for their family with the same Gung hoo - kill them so they don't suffer- attitude , there would be headstones that said, "Here lies Fred, his wife cut off his head because his finger looked a little red, poor Fred, he only had a papercut and now he's dead"... lol

Plus side is, some "well-meaning " person didn't put her down when they had the chance. Down side is becoming a self taught equine nutritionist, supplement guru, and amatur veterinarian.. there has to be some sort of Appaloosa skeleton in the closet when it comes to this...

As for safe Choice, it gets Pokey hopped up like a 2 year old in a cotton candy machine. .. even though the vet recommended it I only use ,it as a small portion of his feed due to ease of feeding. I double checked my scoop (kids plastic cup) and he gets 3 cups 2x daily. Far under the recommended amount. But I make him a special mix and it's a small part of big picture when it comes to his feed. I think they make it a "hot" mix so it seems like seniors are "feeling their oats" and puts more pep in their step so it seems like it's working well for the horse. I don't agree that it is a good thing, I'm sure many people think it is though. ...
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post #54 of 56 Old 11-25-2014, 01:34 AM
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You can do a 5 panel genetic test for 100 dollars. It's a hair strand test, might be more cost effective to test on your own than to have vet come out. You can contact ApHC and see if you can send in photos and have her papers located. As a leopard, it might be easier to locate her since last I knew, there were less leopards per year, than other coat colors and ,,your don't have to deal with trying to sort through every colored mare registered from 90 to 95. Might be neat to see what you can find out about her history that way
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post #55 of 56 Old 12-01-2014, 09:00 PM
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Thank you everyone for your advice. I have her on Empower balance ( it has made a HUGE difference) as well as beet pulp and a weight booster. Now mind you it is likely too soon to see weight gain but she is definitely moving around so much better! She is no longer so stiff and will break into a trot of her own accord. She does have free access to hay 24/7 . Just that little bit seems like night and day on her. No longer feeding her anywhere near as much ( as the Balance seems to do very well on her). Had planned to cross the Nutrena Boost and Balance with each other but the feed stores here did not have the boost so I got a TSC brand of weight booster. I know it sounds silly to say I have been seeing the results I have but they are there. Her coat is like silk it is so soft. Her belly no longer has that bloated look either. I did worm her last month but even after that and psyllium she still have that large stomach. Her stomach is now up a bit better and no longer bloated looking. Overall she does not seem like the same horse. She gets roughly 2lbs of the Empower each day. The smaller amounts she is eating between the three feedings have seriously made a huge difference. She was getting massive amounts of feed before and she seemed to feel horrible. While I considered it good quality feed I was not able to get enough in her (and stay in her) to meet manufacturers recommendations. She would poo it out so fast heads would spin. I am amazed at the difference in the old girl right now. She also had a round of probios.. which amazingly enough is probably the only thing she is not willing to eat. I love the pep to her step. She is feeling much better. Side note the Beet pulp we use does not have molasses in it. While I do worry about the sugars in it .. it does not phase her and seems to be her favorite part of the meal. Thank you so much for your thoughts. I will post pics and my own thread in the nutrition section soon. To the OP sorry I did not mean to hijack your thread.
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post #56 of 56 Old 12-07-2014, 09:07 PM
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Actually i will not be posting a new thread. Ms.Piggy has gone to a wonderful new owner and has lots of room to move and graze. Thank you for the help you all gave me.
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