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Sparta.. Gelding?

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#1 ·
ok so sparta turned a year on march 9th. yippee! but stil only one testicle. the vet said to give him a few more months before we geld. i have always wanted a stud, but because we didnt have the proper place i couldn't house one. but with the new pasture just being built i see it posible finally. i was wondering if i should give sparta time to grow and see if he is worth keeping a stud to prove himself in the show ring (maybe poles and jumping??) since he is so laid back and everything. or should i just snip away? of course i wouldn't just randomly breed him. especially if he isn't up to par. but just a consideration.
 
#31 ·
Copy of the rule book - http://www.appaloosa.com/pdfs/rulebook11.pdf


Hardship information is located on page 56 section 216.

Directly from the handbook -
216. HARDSHIP REGISTRY
A. Geldings and spayed mares which do not meet pedigree requirements or are of unknown pedigree will be accepted for registration if they otherwise meet the requirements for Regular registration and are not ineligible for registration as stated in HORSES NOT ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION. Hardship registration applications are available, at no charge, through the ApHC.
 
#34 ·
yeah, he has no markings at all, i believe you have to have striped hooves or at least some mottling to have the Lp gene? so that he will have the chance of developing some sort of appy pattern. i need to get some newer pictures of him! especially once he slicks off for the first time.
these are the newest that i have of him.


 
#35 · (Edited)
Wow. PLEASE geld him! This is a hereditary trait that is passed on by the stallion. I had a colt out of a local stallion that turns out was known for throwing crypts. At the time I was new to breeding, didn't even know to ask. Mine was a crypt, and it's NOT cheap to geld them. Also, an uncut crypt can be more dangerous than a regular stallion. They are not able to maintain the temperature of the testicle when it is up inside the body, thus throwing their hormones out of whack. Mine was one of those, and he was gelded at 15months because he was becoming dangerous. This was a baby that we handled (imprinted) since birth. I'm sure you don't want to be a contributor to cryptorchid horses, do you?

Another thing, he's not going to be a "better performer" if he's a stallion. Majority of nice stallions make even nicer geldings. :)
 
#36 ·
*facepalm* A crypt is no more likely to more nutso then a normal stallion. The temperature of the testicle does nothing to the hormones. It only affects whether the sperm is viable or not. Mares can and do produce crypt males. It does not only come from the stallion. I suggest you do more research on the subject.
 
#38 ·
It seems like a lot of people keep assuming this baby is a crypt. He still would have plenty of time to drop the other testicle.

Also, I agree completely with NdAppy on the crypt vs. stallion temperament. It really doesn't matter
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#39 ·
I don't know anything about the crypt vs. stallion thing, but I just wanted to vote for geld him. I see many many cons to leaving him a stallion, and minimal benfits.

I understand the appeal of eventually owning a stallion, but I'd suggest waiting and eventually buying a perfect specimen that you will be able to showcase and market, and that there will be a demand for.
 
#40 ·
Cut. It doesn't matter, in my opinion, how spectacular a colt is. If he doesn't have papers, snip snip snip. Why contribute to the problems of over population already in the horse market?

Also, on the flip side, just because a colt DOES have papers doesn't mean it shouldn't be snipped. In an ideal world, breeders would cut everything that doesn't exceed the breed standards. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case :(
 
#44 ·
Cut. It doesn't matter, in my opinion, how spectacular a colt is. If he doesn't have papers, snip snip snip. Why contribute to the problems of over population already in the horse market?

Also, on the flip side, just because a colt DOES have papers doesn't mean it shouldn't be snipped. In an ideal world, breeders would cut everything that doesn't exceed the breed standards. Unfortunately, that seems to not be the case :(
You took the words right out of my mouth lol, I concur with what Chiilaa said :)
 
#41 ·
Actually, I have done research, and worked for years at a very reputable equine vet clinic. Due to the experience that I had with one of my horses, I was especially interested in crypts. All of the info that I learned is directly from the vets that I worked with, who are very highly respected in our area.

I never said that mares don't pass bad traits. But, crypts & hernias are typically passed on by the stallion. And yes, being a crypt CAN effect the temperment of the horse, as well as the viability of the sperm. What I found interesting is that it's usually a stallion owner that denies that studs can pass on this trait. I came across that alot at the clinic I worked at. But, if they let on that colts out of their studs were showing up as crypts, it wouldn't be good for business, would it.
 
#42 ·
i also believe he's NOT a cryptochid. if that was the case then his testes would be in the position now that they will always be in. therefore that would make mean he should already be acting studdy. and he's the most calm horse that i own lol
 
#45 ·
I say cut. Also, my colt did not drop his second testicle until 18 months. At 19 months, he is a happy little gelding, and I am glad to have those things gone finally.
He was already a take-it-as-it-comes type, but now he just seems mello in a different way. You won't believe the attitude difference, even in an already quiet stud colt.
 
#46 ·
Although I LOVE seeing Sparta, I don't love him enough to see him as a stallion. I think it would eventually be a hassle for you. If he does become aggressive, it's no fun.

I have a stud goat, who's 250 lbs, he's sweet when he's around people. He never acted "studdy" at all. He went into rut for the first time (where their hormones go crazy) - he is completely different. He's NOT nice to the other goats. He keeps breaking fences/jumping/climbing them to hump wethers (geldings) or tries to breed an already bred doe. It's hard to own an animal like that.

He's never butted me, rushed me, he walks on a leash like an angel, he likes to cuddle, isn't aggressive with his food, comes when I call his name.. He's great. Just not with other goats.

He's also developing some testicular issues, I may have to cut him. I bought him with TO DIE FOR bloodlines. But now he has a swayed back, and he matures slow. Very slow. His immune system is weak, etc.

Take some of that into consideration.
 
#48 ·
Did I say that? No. I said that it isn't always that simple to flip and cut like you suggested. If you have an issue with people taking a stance that isn't the same as yours, so be it.


It is not known if it is a retained testicle at this time. at this point. I see no problem with waiting to geld to see if the testicle drops on its own if the OP is capable and willing to house a stud until that point in time.
 
#50 ·
I did. I also addressed the fact you suggested going straight for the major abdominal surgery. It is not know if it is needed at this point either. You are not reading all of my posts or are choosing to not comprehend where I said that it is not known at this time if he has a retained testicle. Performing major surgery on a horse, or any animal, is not something that should be taken lightly, and an incision into the abdominal cavity regardless of where the incision is made is considered major surgery.
 
#51 ·
I didn't say doing the surgery RIGHT now. All I was saying was that he can easily be gelded. It's a very uncomplicated sugery. Almost always resulting in little or no difficulties.

You've answered almost everyone sarcastically. Maybe that isn't your intent, but I have a feeling I'm not the only one who see's/feel's this way.
 
#52 ·
It's words on a screen and people can read whatever tone into that they want. Were my post supposed to be sarcastic? Probably not. If your reading that into them then that is your problem and not mine. If people have problems with the way I post, well I haven't seen anyone saying anything besides you.

Abdominal surgery to geld a crypt is not a simple procedure. You can get lucky and have it be that way or you can be extremely unlucky and have it go the other way. Like I said, that is something that is not to be taken lightly.
 
#53 ·
Abdominal surgery to geld a crypt is not a simple procedure. You can get lucky and have it be that way or you can be extremely unlucky and have it go the other way. lightly.[/QUOTE]

Well said. It is NOT a simple procedure, and it is NOT fun for the horse. With the right care, they get through it, but it is Major surgery. (I've been through it with mine, 10months after hernia surgery, which was also major surgery.)
 
#57 ·
ahaha cute lol you guys may be right about gelding him. i'd hae to chance leaving him a stud and then him get studdy and ruin him forever for me. i did ask my vet a couple of months ago and he said to give it a month or two. that he could feel it up in there. it was just really hard to get to and would take some work so he wanted to wait. but he also said if it didn't drop in those few months that he would do the surgery anyway, that he had no problem digging in a little further to rescue his lost teste lol
 
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