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post #1 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 01:27 AM Thread Starter
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Is this a thing?

So I was wondering … a friend of mine has a nice mare that I'm a huge fan of, great temperament and one of the best minds I've had the pleasure to ride, pretty, nice conformation, all that. I really like her but he's never going to sell her so I had kind of a crazy idea. Do people pay for a stud fee to breed someone else's mare so they can keep the foal? I've spoken with the owner and he's agreeable, as long as I pay the stud fee (duh) and the veterinary care related to pregnancy and foaling (also duh). I warned him about the potential for complications, something especially scary if it's never going to be your foal anyway, and he's still agreeable. Is this sort of thing done, generally? It's almost a recipient mare situation.

I'd be wanting to keep this foal for myself, to use as a trail/endurance mount, and perhaps driving if it has the brain for it (and if the foal is anything like the mare, it will). But mostly trail and endurance. I've yet to look for a suitable stud, since this is all still theoretical, and that would be the rub. I'd need to see the potential sire's get to make sure he throws what I'm looking for and make sure he checks all my boxes. It would most likely be next year anyway, since I think it's unlikely I'll be ready in time this year. Anyway … do people borrow other peoples' horse's ovaries? Is that a thing? Or am I completely nuts?

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post #2 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 01:34 AM
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I've heard of it but never done it.

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post #3 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 04:17 AM
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Sounds good to me plenty do it with other animals as well. Though be absolutely sure its written up and to cover liabilities if there are long term complications or if the mare were to die etc. What happens if the mare accidentally treads on the foal and breaks a leg (unlikely but just a random given scenario). What if the mare with her mother instinct kicks someone in the head? Would you be blamed for putting the whole foal thing in motion?

I know this sounds wild but I am SO paranoid after seeing some of the crap people sue over... as if we're robots and not living creatures... where sometimes life just happens... >.<
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post #4 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 04:20 AM
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People do this all of the time. Basically, you're leasing his mare for breeding purposes.

If this happens to turn into reality, definitely sign a contract with the owner of the mare for a lease to breed. This has to be done in order for you to be able to register the foal as you as the breeder and owner of the foal. The owner or leasee of the mare is always first owner of the foal. If you don't do this then you will have to depend on the owner to sell you the foal and that is where things can go sour if he changes his mind after said mare is pregnant, after she gives birth, or anytime for that matter.

Just get a contract. It cost a lot of money to get a mare ready to breed, get her in foal, care for her during pregnancy, and raise a foal to weaning.

You would basically be responsible for every aspect of this mare while she is carrying your foal including feeding, worming and vaccinations as she will need different care while pregnant.

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post #5 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 07:41 AM
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Broodmare lease, it's pretty common. It's best done with an ironclad contract which outlines who is liable for what (generally, lessee liable for everything that happens to mare and foal while mare is in lessee's possession, lessor reserves the right to end the lease and own the foal if proper care is not provided to mare ie feet, deworming, shots, feed, scans, vet care, and usually it's a requirement for the mare to be insured).

Without a contract IN WRITING it's he said, she said, and things can turn really nasty really fast even between friends.

A friend of mine has leased out one of her broodmares twice. Neither time has ended well and the poor mare is now unsound for riding and cannot be bred again due to the second lessee's negligence. And that's why it's vital to have a good contract in place to protect all parties, and especially the horse!

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post #6 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 07:45 AM
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And realize it is a crap shoot. You could have the mildest mannered mare bred to the most laid back stallion with a good herd dynamic to raise a baby in and still end up with a fire breathing dragon. Been there. I loved her. had no problem with her but she was to put it mildly hard to handle for others. Not a horse for the new draft enthusiast. Not making judgements. Most expect drafts to be big, sweet teddies. Not this mare. So it can happen. Breeding is a crap shoot so put thought into what happens if baby is not suitable for your purpose or has a personality that you don't expect. I'll say I also ended up with a saddle horse (coming 1) that is out of the most laid back mare and sweetest stallion - she was born thinking she was lead mare and pushes that with the herd. At 1 the horses lowest on the pole give to her. Those higher up tolerate her.


As others have said a good contract is a necessity.


I
d spend the time looking for what was already out there while you do your searching for a suitable stallion. You're likely to find what you want already out there without going through the time and expense of breeding.
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post #7 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 08:30 AM
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It's called a breeding lease around these parts! If your friend is willing and you like her mare then ohhhhh the possibilities of choosing a stallion!
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post #8 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 09:40 AM
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And realize it is a crap shoot.
Oh, yes. I did this with my sister's Arabian mare, Jessa. Jessa was a solid 15 hand, very athletic, cat-like horse who loved to jump and could climb or descend any slope, no matter how steep. The sire we chose was a 15.3 hand regional Arabian champion. Both were bay with white. The sire had two tall stockings and a big star, and Jessa had four socks and a faint star. I thought I would get a bay with chrome who would be athletic and would be a good low-level dressage horse.

The baby, Djinn, was born looking very much like his mom, but had virtually no white at all. He was barely 15 hands, was gaited which was a HUGE surprise, was not a jumper or cat-like in any respect, but was the most comfortable trail horse I have ever ridden, and was my true heart-horse.

But not at all what I had envisioned.
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post #9 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 11:39 AM
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It's a breeding lease. Cover your bases with an ironclad contract-- who is liable for what, what happens if there is no foal, if foal is born dead, if the mare dies, etc. And yeah, sometimes baby turns out nothing like mom.
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post #10 of 14 Old 02-04-2020, 12:49 PM
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Oh, yes. I did this with my sister's Arabian mare, Jessa. Jessa was a solid 15 hand, very athletic, cat-like horse who loved to jump and could climb or descend any slope, no matter how steep. The sire we chose was a 15.3 hand regional Arabian champion. Both were bay with white. The sire had two tall stockings and a big star, and Jessa had four socks and a faint star. I thought I would get a bay with chrome who would be athletic and would be a good low-level dressage horse.

The baby, Djinn, was born looking very much like his mom, but had virtually no white at all. He was barely 15 hands, was gaited which was a HUGE surprise, was not a jumper or cat-like in any respect, but was the most comfortable trail horse I have ever ridden, and was my true heart-horse.

But not at all what I had envisioned.







Reminds me of how my sons were somehow not what I imagined, either. Are they EVER???
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