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post #1 of 16 Old 03-21-2019, 04:27 PM Thread Starter
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When Casually Looking gets into Negotiating

So, I've been casually looking for another mare along the lines of AJ, but not with a bum knee.

I found this girl last night, and I have to be in Seminole Saturday morning. I am considering going to meet her and investigate. Her owner says she gets along with other horses, dogs, kids, and people fine, that she's good natured. She's about the same size as AJ, though from the pictures, she doesn't look overweight like AJ. I do note the ad says she's stubborn under saddle. I don't know if that's a personality kink or a training hole.

Current owner is considering a trade for a saddle.

She's on Allbreed also.

I will be the first to admit the names in her lineage are like Latin - sound familiar but mean nothing to me.

Anyone recognize her bloodlines?
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post #2 of 16 Old 03-21-2019, 04:32 PM
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Nope, definitely Latin for me too. Lol

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I would want something more noteworthy closer up in the pedigree for a broodmare prospect.
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I would want something more noteworthy closer up in the pedigree for a broodmare prospect.

At this time, noteworthy isn't in my budget. I'm looking for an entry level mare that's more... okay... bloodlines than noteworthy. LOL.

BUT! Duly noted! I'm not committed to getting her, just considering. ;) There may be better mares come along with better bloodlines in the same price range. IDK.
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Watch carefully for HYPP, several horses are presenting N/H on their pedigree.
She presents N/N...

You have Impressive 2nd generation back...
You also have Skipper W and Sugar Bars which are blood that passes through generations..
It is diluted with the cross out of Quarter Horse and the introduction of paint blood...
I couldn't find anything that showed accomplishments to be made note of...
She's pretty, think that may end there...pretty.
But that doesn't mean her get will be easy to sell if you are looking to sell producers with proved results in any show pen...
She also is not shown under-saddle in any picture, just free-moving in field which is not a flattering picture of her.
Broodmare, stubborn, needs a firm hand, does lead-line rides makes me very, very leery reading between the lines.

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post #6 of 16 Old 03-21-2019, 06:04 PM
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You'd do better to get a proven broodmare with quality horses on the papers and a performance record that is broodmare-sound only, or to buy a weanling or yearling filly than to get something like this mare. Price will be similar, but the proven mare's foal would be far more marketable and likely higher-quality, and if you get a filly then you can buy quality and make it what you want, then breed her later. There are plenty of horses like this mare out there reproducing 'meh' offspring. I'd recommend contacting breeders of QUALITY horses with the type you like and letting them know what youa re looking for. A lot of broodmares never come up for public sale, and you'd be surprised what you can get for not a lot of money if you put the word out. Good broodmares will likely not be found on CL. I see them swapped or leased out all the time for next to nothing for people willing to care for them for a few years. An acquaintance just sold a broodmare with an old leg injury that needs a little maintenance for $800 with a world champion sire, reserve word champion dam, and one offspring already showing at the major shows to another small producer. That's the type of mare you need to be looking for. Put the word out among people with that type of horse and see what bites over the next few months. Don't take it wrong, but if you can't afford a really high quality broodmare, you can't really afford to be breeding. The quality of your mares is THE most important factor when starting even a small breeding program. An older mare that needs a little TLC or a youngster that needs to grow up first with the breeding you want and conformation needed are far better investments than a mediocre mare, and the price is similar. Also look at QH mares and breed to a homozygous tobiano stud. There are a lot more good QH mares out there than paints in your price range, and you'd do better to buy a plain colored quality mare and breed her to a homozygous stallion to get your color rather than specifically looking for paint mares.
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No meaning to rain on the parade... even though the Impressive and Skipper W are pretty far back, you couldn't give me one of either..LOL!

Since this is in the "horse breeding" section, are you looking for a broodmare or just wanting input on how she is bred?
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The fact that the current owner is willing to trade her for a saddle rather than put 30 days on her and sell her for more tells me that's not a mare I'd want, particularly not as a broodmare where temperament is extremely important.
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I adore my stallion, with his couple of crosses to Skipper W, lol. I am not crazy about her neck, though...keep looking. You don’t want to breed for color. I am also not a “what can this horse do” by its pedigree, either.

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I know some of her lines but too far back to make a difference. Even so I'd pass between what they say about her and what I can see of her looks. If you're still interested I'd insist on a 5 panel genetic test. Tes Impression is marked N/N now but someone has edited because he used to be listed on Allbreed as N/Y.

This was one of my mares so that's why I remember him as N/Y.

https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/skip+the+tin

I never had her tested to know for sure because APHA told me I didn't need to have her tested and then by the time his result was posted on allbreed she was no longer being used as a broodmare because she was strong in passing along the few things I didn't like about her such as no work ethic and not a lot going on upstairs. She was a very loving horse though.
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