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post #1 of 31 Old 06-18-2019, 01:00 AM Thread Starter
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Breeding grade? Half registries?

I wasn't sure where else to put this...but I was curious. For people who breed grade mares, but the foals are registered, how does that work? And what registries accept them? I know there's a half Arabian registry... Are they more of a joke, kind of like AWB or PtHA?
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post #2 of 31 Old 06-18-2019, 07:47 AM
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No the Half Arab registry is not a joke. A registry that is serious about keeping pedigree information and offers shows that are more than local in scope and recognized would be serious. So are the other registries but usefulness is a different consideration. Some registries are not much more than a record of ownership which in and of itself can be useful.
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I wasn't sure where else to put this...but I was curious. For people who breed grade mares, but the foals are registered, how does that work? And what registries accept them? I know there's a half Arabian registry... Are they more of a joke, kind of like AWB or PtHA?
It really does depend on the breed, but you might be a little misinformed about some of the registries. The Pinto Horse Association is actually a rather large registry and for their world show they expect to have 30,000 people attending this year. So I'm not sure what you mean about it being a joke. Half Arabs show just like the purebreds at all the big shows, in their own classes.

Many "grade" mares that are bred for half registries are actually well bred horses that were never registered for some reason. Such as unregistered full Arabians with good pedigrees that are bred to other registered Arabs as half Arabs. It can be tricky getting all the information required for registration even with a purebred if they are older, even if the pedigree is known.

If you are breeding a truly grade horse from obscure breeds, you probably will not gain anything by registering unless going with a breed that has a popular half registry. Breeding a grade to a purebred Curly would not be useful, and even though QHs are a popular breed, they don't have a half registry with viable showing opportunities as far as I know.
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What @gottatrot said. Generally registries are mainly useful for two things, competition and breeding. In both cases the quality of the individual is still by far the most important thing. Except for the Half Arabian registry it's hard to think of a half-breed registry that would add value to a horse.
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Unless mare is of extremely good quality even then if truly grade shouldn't be breeding. All kinds of grade foals out there. All kinds of grade mares someone thought were great.

Look at the kill pens are full of grade mares there a dime a dozen. Same for grade foals a dime a dozen. This is what is wrong with the horse industry everyone with a mare thinks they need to breed it. Same for registered mares some are just mediocre and shouldn't ever be bred.

Mexico is getting plenty of American horse's for slaughter. We keep the supply plentiful with breeding mares because there mares.
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As someone who owns a registered half-Arabian, I take this kind of offensively. National Show horses (Saddlerbreds x Arabians) are a HUGE breed in the half-Arabian community. Morabs (Morgan x Arabians) make amazing mounts in the show ring. Quarabs (Quarter Horses x Arabians) make super awesome gaming or ranch type horses. Registered, quality bred half-Arabians are worth their weight in gold. The Arabian Horse Association is among the most reputable registries out there.

I own a non-traditional half-Arabian being a Rocky Mountain Horse x Arabian. Kick-butt in the show ring, an all-terrain monster on the trails, endless heart in whatever I ask of him... People who own or breed quality half-Arabians know the value in these horses.

If my rescue Morgan mare turns out not to be registered with the Morgan Horse Association after DNA testing, I will likely choose to breed her to an Arabian stud someday.
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Half-Arabian registry is anything but a joke. It's a top-notch registry, and with good reason.



Now, that being said, some registries are not worth much more than the paper your certificate arrives on. Do your research.
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It was my understanding you could not register a foal that was the product of a full bred unregistered Arab x registered Arab in the HalfArab Association?
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@ClearDonkey -- not sure why you take offense when it was stated several times that the Half Arabian registry stands out for value.

It doesn't take a huge amount of effort to create a registry. There's probably some kind of registry for almost any horse alive. But there's only a handful which actually add value to the horse and provide a lot of other benefits to the owner.

After what I've seen in the dog world, I have a fairly sour attitude toward registries. Genetically speaking there is no such thing as a "purebred", just phenotypes that are passed on, and greater or lesser degrees of homozygosity. To the extent that registries improve the quality of horses, track parentage, and create opportunities to learn and to compete for owners, they are a good thing. To the extent that they narrow gene pools, falsely inflate value, or distort the original functionality of the founders, they are a bad thing. They are no better than the intelligence and experience of the people who run the thing. Mixed bag.

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As someone who owns a registered half-Arabian, I take this kind of offensively. National Show horses (Saddlerbreds x Arabians) are a HUGE breed in the half-Arabian community.
I kind of feel this way too and I don't know much about them but I own a half-bred Arabian Mare. She was a mix of National Show and Arabian and she is registered.

CATCH AFALLING STAAR HAHR*1A357867 bay mare 15-Mar-2005


https://www.allbreedpedigree.com/catch+afalling+staar


She is from the Bask line, which again I don't know much about other than he was a famous horse.


She is a wonderful little mare and we are really growing together and I am blessed to have her in my life! I don't show her at all, although she has in her past. I just wanted a sturdy trail horse and she fits that well!
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