Never seen this color before--"Cremello Roan" - The Horse Forum
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post #1 of 16 Unread 07-09-2019, 01:27 PM Thread Starter
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Never seen this color before--"Cremello Roan"

What do you think of this AQHA cremello roan stud and his offspring? Is he just great for color or is his conformation ok too?? I'm not good at telling much of the confo stuff.

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post #2 of 16 Unread 07-09-2019, 02:50 PM
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Looks like he has all the typical aqha issues. Post legs and itty bitty feet. And it looks like he passes those on. Also is butt-high and l don't see roaning.
I'm sure some people think he's the cats meow for some pleasure, halter or somesuch. But I don't think he'd ever hold up to hard work.
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post #3 of 16 Unread 07-09-2019, 02:57 PM
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What has he accomplished and what are your goals would be my question. He is too post legged and upright in the pasterns for my liking and his head too tiny for his neck and body. He looks like a halter horse. All body with toothpick legs though his do appear to have more bone than many. His babies seem to have bigger heads and smaller necks (too small - that may just need to fill out and depending on their age could with maturity) withe better bodies and legs though if they are young that could change with maturity as well and they would be more similar to him.


I don't like roan on the dilutes as it washes them out. I'd chose one or the other not both. You know if he is a double cream dilute you will get cream. DO they have a color panel so that you know his agouti status and whether he is Dun or nd1. I'm going to look at the link. You'd also want to know LWO status and what his 6 panel says.
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post #4 of 16 Unread 07-09-2019, 03:08 PM
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So he is basically a color producer. Genetically clean, no LWO to worry about any sorrel will always carry at least one A and you may or may not get roan but for me it would be one or the other not both. I don't like roan on an already diluted horse. There is no mention of points whether halter or performance so I would want to know how his babies are doing and what their mothers accomplished to know if it is more them than him passing ability.
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post #5 of 16 Unread 07-10-2019, 06:22 AM
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i mean he is not the worst cremello i have sean. his legs are not as horrible as alot of halter horses i have seen. his back is long and he has small hooves.
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@lostastirrup "Looks like he has all the typical aqha issues." While those faults are common with halter horses they are not typical of all AQHA. AQHA has gotten to the point that the different showing classes have resulted in many different body types based on whether they are western or english, halter or performance, show or working. I see more stock horse type being ridden and shown without those flaws unless I start looking at sale ads. While there is some blurring, the halter bred stand out for those flaws and because of their lack of soundness (note I did not say ability) when worked hard in performance they aren't kept around. There is now a halter performance class to address that. As times change I hope to see performance halter standards becoming the norm and a fading out of that bulked up Arnold Schwarzenegger type.
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I've been around ranch horses who have good legs and foot and bone, but from what I've seen they're the exception to the rule. I ride at a WP/HUS barn. Post legs. Small feet. And variations on lame. I grew up riding a few AQHA's they weren't any exceptions. Don't get me wrong, the best brains and quietest disposition have been on AQHA's, just the conformation has shot itself in the foot.


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post #8 of 16 Unread 07-10-2019, 02:47 PM
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Opinion? Two things I dislike the most, halter-horse build and a harmful-to-the-horse color, right there in the same horse. But that's just me.
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post #9 of 16 Unread 07-10-2019, 04:36 PM
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He looks like an AQHA show horse, not something I would breed any mare of mine to. I pretty much only deal with AQHA horses and that is all I have right now for my own horses but you want to look for ones out of working cow horse lines that aren't Hancock. The Hancock horses are where a lot of the color in AQHA horses are coming from in Montana, Wyoming, Idaho etc. right now and they tend to be high hocked and straight hocked.

I looked at that horses pedigree and he has nothing in it for working ranch horse lines that I would personally ever consider for my own horses.

You want good bone and good legs and a horse that can work all day. In order to get that you usually need to look at working cow horse competition horses, cutting horses, and especially ranch horses. Just make sure if you look at cutting horse studs that they aren't throwing down hill offspring. Stay away from the Western pleasure etc. lines if you want a horse that can do serious all day work.

If you can find them see if you can find something from a Skipper W line. They were bred to be all around working horses and some of those Skipper W lines have color as well. I have one Skipper W horse that is red roan and he has feet like sledge hammers, tons of leg bone and I have worked cattle on him for an entire day and at the end of the day he still has gas to keep going long after I am ready to head in for the day. Best horse I have ever owned.

Other good lines to consider are Little Peppy, Doc Bar, Two Eyed Jack, and Driftwood.

A lot of the really good ranch horse lines tend to be on the shorter side: 14.3 - 15.2 so hopefully you are OK with a shorter horse.
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post #10 of 16 Unread 07-10-2019, 04:46 PM
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I think @Dreamcatcher Arabians had a Skipper cremello stud at one point if I remember right. You could ask her about Skipper lines as outside the ranching and roping community people aren't as familiar with them as they are with other AQHA lines.

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