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post #1 of 9 Old 08-10-2019, 02:49 AM Thread Starter
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The Sire of my Horse

Okay so I recently discovered that two horses had gotten lose in my horses' dams pasture. I know who the two stallions are and what they look like; but the place my horse came from didn't have her DNA tested so I was wondering if anyone could maybe guess between these two stallions which one is most likely her sire?

My horse, Collector's Remington is solid black, she has no markings whatsoever. She is identical to her mother, except her mother Collector's JoBelle has back sock markings.

Now JoBelle's sire was black and white tobiano, and her dam was the exact same color JoBelle is, except she has no markings.

The two stallions that got lose in the pasture was Goldwell's Mirror Image and Trip's Midnight Sergeant. Goldwell is sorrel colored, he has back leg sock markings and a has a blaze facial marking. Both his sire and dam are chestnut.

And finally Trip's Midnight Sergeant has no markings and is chestnut. Both his sire and dam are black.

So between Goldwell and Trip's, which horse would be most likely to be Remington's sire?

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post #2 of 9 Old 08-10-2019, 02:57 AM
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If the stallions have been DNA tested then you can have her tested and know for certain.

Other than that it is a guess.
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post #3 of 9 Old 08-10-2019, 10:36 AM
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None of their colors have anything determinant in them. If one side has a history of bats it would be more telling, but with chestnuts on both sides, mom is throwing the black and doesnt tell us anything.
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post #4 of 9 Old 08-13-2019, 11:57 AM
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You would need to have a DNA sample from the dam, your horse and both stallions for comparison. With that then the stallion could be positively identified. If the horses are registered it could easily be done as long as all others already have DNA on file. All you would need to do is supply a sample from your horse for comparison. If not there ate labs that would verify parentage for you but I would think that would be more expensive plus you would need permission of all parties plus the samples.
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post #5 of 9 Old 08-23-2019, 04:17 PM Thread Starter
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Ahh alright. Itís just I thought since Goldwell, and JoBelle both had the back leg socks and if he were her sire. I thought she would also inherit those socks, or at least some white on her.
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You would need to have a DNA sample from the dam, your horse and both stallions for comparison. With that then the stallion could be positively identified. If the horses are registered it could easily be done as long as all others already have DNA on file. All you would need to do is supply a sample from your horse for comparison. If not there ate labs that would verify parentage for you but I would think that would be more expensive plus you would need permission of all parties plus the samples.
You would not need DNA from the mare only the two studs and the offspring though taking DNA from one stud would either eliminate it or prove it was the sire leaving the other as the sire.
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I was taught when in a genetics class years ago and have recently asked this question and was told they still need the dam to determine what was inherited in a comparison case on stallions. If she is on file they automatically include her results.
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I've had foals with both parents having no white markings born with white markings. So I wouldn't read into the socks too much. Unfortunately in your case, based on the colour, either could definitely be the sire. Only way to know is to DNA test the dads and compare with the foal.

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post #9 of 9 Old 08-23-2019, 07:31 PM
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My current stallion has absolutely no genes that are testable for white. He will never be responsible for white on a foal but all of his babies have white markings. Comes from their dam. You can also have a horse with so minimal white markings they appear solid but do have the genes and pass them on. My minimal white mare has had very loud babies when bred to other minimal whites, all depends on what gets passed.
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