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post #1 of 84 Old 12-15-2019, 08:35 PM Thread Starter
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6 month old conformation

Can you tell anything about his conformation? Is there anything I need to be awarhttps://www.horseforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1000817&stc=1&d=157646 0056e of ? He is a TWH
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I will give this a go. We just joined the gaited horse world 4 years ago. And have done a lot of research on the breed and bloodlines of our horses.

1. The colt is young and butt high - that is OK - just pointing it out
2. The colt looks very post legged in the back. It may be how he is standing in the picture. This will make it harder for him to get his legs underneath of him and get a really nice smooth gait out of him
3. The colt has a very short back- ideally a horse (any breed) should be even by thirds in conformation. his back is very short with a high wither. This could make saddle fit an issue in the future. I have a very short backed TWH mare (Grand Daughter of Ebonies Masterpiece and Midnight Sun) and Haynes bloodlines in there too. She is very short backed. Saddle fit has been an issue but her gait is to die for!
4. The colt appears to have a shorter thicker neck with a thick throatlatch. This probably will not affect his riding overly much but if shown it is not as pleasing a long more refined neck and throatlatch.
5. He appears to have good bone and it not too light
6. His shoulder angle looks good and is not too steep

All in all not a bad looking colt - and some of those things may change a little as he grows up and his body matures.
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Is this picture any better? Can you tell anything else for this?
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BLUE STREAK DLK #21900536
(DLK Blu Double x She’s Got The Luck) Blue roan colt - 15.1 hands
Foaled June/2019 (Blood typed)

Sire Pedigree:
DLK Blu Double
Reflection In Blue RSW
Frostys Reflection
Frostys Perfection R.
Elwanda
Gen's Celebrated Lady
Generator's Genuine Jazz
Celebrity Lady
Double Visions Anne Okley
Ole Blue's Double Vision
Bum's Souvenir
Mack's Lady Bum
Ole Blue's Lady
Bum's Souvenir
Masterpiece Lady S.A.
BLUE STREAK DLK #21900536

She’s Got The Luck Dam's Pedigree:

Luck Of The Doc
Doc's High Tribute
Dr. Elmer
Anne's Mystery
One Pushy Lady
The Pusher CG
Ebonys Merry Society
Two Timing Thief
Pusher's Jewel Thief
The Pusher CG
Mark's Black Jewel
Gen's Two Timer
Prides Generator
Brenda's Threat

I wished I knew how to add their pictures so I could get in put about their confirmation. If anybody knows I would like to know how.....

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From that one, blurry, not square pic, single angle, not to mention 6mo horse, can't tell you much. He's 'bum-high' - to be expected of a youngster, he's got pretty straight hind legs, but that also could well be his developmental stage.

Oh & hopefully you haven't tied him solid - I would not tie a youngster, as they're too easily hurt if they fight it.
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I disagree with not tying a youngster. I tied mine alongside their dams from about a week old - always supervised.

What I would never do is to tie any horse to a gate.

When you have seen the damage a horse can do to itself when it pulls back and the gate gets entangled with them then you would either.

I have picked up four horses for the hunt that were destroyed after being tied to a gate. .
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I will give this a go. We just joined the gaited horse world 4 years ago. And have done a lot of research on the breed and bloodlines of our horses.

1. The colt is young and butt high - that is OK - just pointing it out
2. The colt looks very post legged in the back. It may be how he is standing in the picture. This will make it harder for him to get his legs underneath of him and get a really nice smooth gait out of him
3. The colt has a very short back- ideally a horse (any breed) should be even by thirds in conformation. his back is very short with a high wither. This could make saddle fit an issue in the future. I have a very short backed TWH mare (Grand Daughter of Ebonies Masterpiece and Midnight Sun) and Haynes bloodlines in there too. She is very short backed. Saddle fit has been an issue but her gait is to die for!
4. The colt appears to have a shorter thicker neck with a thick throatlatch. This probably will not affect his riding overly much but if shown it is not as pleasing a long more refined neck and throatlatch.
5. He appears to have good bone and it not too light
6. His shoulder angle looks good and is not too steep

All in all not a bad looking colt - and some of those things may change a little as he grows up and his body matures.

Carshon, What time of gait do you thank this colt will have from his confirmation?

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From that one, blurry, not square pic, single angle, not to mention 6mo horse, can't tell you much. He's 'bum-high' - to be expected of a youngster, he's got pretty straight hind legs, but that also could well be his developmental stage.

Oh & hopefully you haven't tied him solid - I would not tie a youngster, as they're too easily hurt if they fight it.
Loosie, The previous owner had a special set up that he had fixed up to tie his young colts that they couldn't get hurt and get used to the pressure. He had his trainer already tying him up to get use to the pressure before I bought him. The previous owner was getting him ready to show him in halter class, if he kept him. I think it was more for the colt to have the experience.

I have had him in cross ties with his halter and he done very well with that. He stood crossed tied just long enough for me to brush him down, left of his legs and tap on them. He seems very good natured right now and my previous experience is exposing to as many things as possible and let him get use to it. I introduce one thing at a time and review or repeat the same things over and over in a very steady routine. Colts learn a lot during the first 2 years of their lives and part of their play can be desensitizing them to so many different things. A large round ball, jolly balls and even cones can be set up into their play routine. Every lesson is kept to short increments with a set goal in mind. Every time you work with a weanling, yearling or horse you are training them. I want mind to learn respect, trust and patience.
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I judge horses based on the skeletal structure - we call this "Functional Conformation". It's based on studying many different disciplines and then applying the knowledge of horse a horse moves, why he moves that way, and what is causing him to move that way. Do keep that in mind, as many people judge conformation in many different ways(particularly the "uphill v. downhill" debate), but I've found this to be the most scientifically sound and best explained method so far that actually gives results. If you're interested in what exactly it is, here's the basic PDF guide on functional conformation: https://www.hcbc.ca/wp-content/uploa...t-revision.pdf

First off, your youngster is rather butthigh but that's just a growing stage, so unless the dam and sire are butthigh I wouldn't worry about it. He'll level out once he starts maturing a bit more. He has a good neck emergence, located above the point of shoulder. According to functional conformation, this is one of the "big three" that we use to tell if a horse is uphill or downhill. A horse with a neck emergence lower than the point of shoulder will have more trouble lightening his forehand and shifting weight back on to the hindquarters - which is essential for longevity, as a rider adding weight to the horse's back and the unnatural position that many horses are ridden in causes the back to hollow, head to raise, and stride to shorten, in turn causing more impaction on the spine and eventually even can be the cause of kissing spine and other issues. In functional conformation, we judge based on how well a horse can do it's job without pain or hindrance due to conformation.

One fault this is poking out to me is that he's sickle hocked. In my opinion, I'd rather have a slightly post-legged horse than a sickle hocked one due to the fact that sickle hocks add more strain to the horse's tendons and ligaments, since he cannot align the bony column under himself to help hold himself up - he would have to stand camped out to get his hocks angled correctly, and then that would defeat the purpose as the legs are too far out behind him to hold a considerable amount of weight. Your horse only appears a slighter degree sickle hocked, as long as his health is taken into considerable and he's not pushed beyond his limits I think he'll be fine. Post-legged should also be defined from being sickle hocked - post-legged refers to the too-straight angulation of the hock, while sickle hocked is the over-angulation of the hock. For comparison: http://cruzminihorses.com/images/min...358x167_1_.jpg

He also lacks musculature on the neck, which makes him appear to be slightly ewe necked but I don't think he has a true ewe neck. It looks like a muscling issue rather than a skeletal issue to my eyes. (Do consider though, a young horse will often be poorly muscled until he fills out a bit more so this is nothing to be worried about or out of the ordinary. If he continues to have an incorrectly muscled neck throughout his life it's likely due to a high and tense headset, and training will be needed to teach him to relax and stretch out some.)

Overall, he has a nice uphill build. I'd be very excited to see how he fills out and what he looks like as a better muscled 2 or 3 year old, even with the sometimes gangly gaited horse type he looks like he'll turn out nicely with correct work. ;) His cannons are slightly long for my taste personally, but that's nothing that will affect him in work really unless you're planning on GP dressage. :)
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Not seeing sickle hocked at all myself, unless you're talking of the right hind, which I think is likely more postural than 'structural', assuming any is truly structural. That's something I did miss earlier, that in all 3 pics(inc the avatar one) he is standing with his right hind forward(if they were both forward & weighted, that would be 'sickle hocks'). Of course, this may be just a coincidental 'moment in time' thing, but if he habitually stands this way, I'd be thinking there was a hip prob or such(common in foals to have hip &/or shoulder probs from 'birth trauma') & I'd be looking for a chiropractic vet to see to him.

Another thing I missed is that he's tied to a gate! - ditto to Foxhunter on that note! If you are going to tie a horse firm, it must be to a firm, unbreakable structure, like a wall, a deeply bedded post etc. By all means, I believe babies should be taught to yield to pressure, to 'tie' calmly & reliably. But that needs to be done in a safe manner, without them actually finding themselves trapped & feeling the need to fight for their lives. Hopefully that was the way his previous owner went about it. I would not tie ANY horse firm, unless they've had a number of lessons learning it's all OK without the risk, and I wouldn't tie a baby 'hard' until they were very reliable about yielding to halter pressure & comfortable & relaxed about standing firm. The thing with youngsters is, the bones of their neck are some of the last to 'close' and harden, and they are quite fragile when immature. So the main thing is teaching them well first, before putting them in that situation, but as 'stuff happens' & even well trained horses can panic & fight, so I just feel why risk it, with easily damaged youngsters. Seen more than a couple of horses put down for 'wobblers', which was attributed to being tied & fighting...
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