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post #11 of 16 Old 05-07-2012, 10:24 AM
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wow, thanks for the post minstrel! our version of hunters are night and day. so in the states a hunter is more like your hack...and your hunters are fully warmbloods and draftier breeds,yes? if this is also the case in australia, then this horse is a hack sort for sure. in the us, perhaps a hunter but again, in the us its more on movement rather than build

Yeah, I get so confused when you guys start talking about hunters... its so different! Movement is a big part of hunter showing here too, and that's where the big marks are, as well as manners and how good a ride they give the judge, but at any level high than local show the build is pretty important - the judge just won't place you against something that is more typically 'hunter' if it moves just as well.

Of the two, I'd say any TB is more of a hack build wise, but hacks do have to have a pretty cracking movement compared to hunters, and the preference is for smaller, finer horses, so bigger TBs don't tend to do as well (think there's a limit to 15.3hh in large hack classes in most shows here), but build wise that's closer to what he is. However, much as I hate to say it, he probably doesn't fit typically into either, however I would err on the side of lightweight hunter, as a finer hunter is more likely to place if it has good movement and gives a nice ride than a hack that is too big with too much bone. I have found that sometimes shows run a large riding horse class, where TBs tend to place better... but I'm a hunter girl, so I don't know too much about the judging for that.

Yeah, you don't tend to see actual warmbloods in hunter classes, they have too boxy a body - hunters are supposed to be a bit curvy, so tend to be TB crosses, usually with something like Irish Draught, so warmblood-type rather than actual warmbloods. There is less TB the further they go up the weight classes.

Yeah, it's pretty different from the US, but it's so much fun - watching the hunter classes at the Royal Highland Show or the Horse of the Year show is pretty amazing... the horses are so stunning.
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My daughter shows hunters and she has taken 4 different types of horses and made them successful hunters........some at the 2'6 level, one at the 3' level.....none of these horses were particular special......just your average grade horse......one is a heavy clyde cross who went on to win at the 3' level and two other horses one APHA, the other a TB/TW cross and a POA pony.

You can have the fanciest horse at the show but if you can't ride it, and by that I mean have it packaged and on the bit.......and aren't technical in that you know your striding, changes etc.......you won't win.

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My daughter shows hunters and she has taken 4 different types of horses and made them successful hunters........some at the 2'6 level, one at the 3' level.....none of these horses were particular special......just your average grade horse......one is a heavy clyde cross who went on to win at the 3' level and two other horses one APHA, the other a TB/TW cross and a POA pony.

You can have the fanciest horse at the show but if you can't ride it, and by that I mean have it packaged and on the bit.......and aren't technical in that you know your striding, changes etc.......you won't win.

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Sounds like what the States refer to as hunters we would refer to as working hunter or foxhunter classes... it's ridden over jumps, not a conformational and movement based under saddle flat class? Sounds like working hunter classes my horse and I do - very different from hunter under saddle classes here.
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Sounds like what the States refer to as hunters we would refer to as working hunter or foxhunter classes... it's ridden over jumps, not a conformational and movement based under saddle flat class? Sounds like working hunter classes my horse and I do - very different from hunter under saddle classes here.
Nope a division consists of 2 classes over jumps and one undersaddle....my daughter has beaten out many fancier horses than hers...!!!

Plus some equitation classes which she usually comes first in!

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Nope a division consists of 2 classes over jumps and one undersaddle....my daughter has beaten out many fancier horses than hers...!!!

Plus some equitation classes which she usually comes first in!

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That's like working hunter - you do a round or two of jumps, then an under saddle portion, with marks going 60%:40% jumping:under saddle. That way, conformation is less of an issue, it's more about performance and movement (and rider ability). Well done to your daughter for doing well - says a lot about the training she's put in and her ability to ride if she can knock out the 'fancier' horses!.

Pure under saddle classes on the other hand are more biased towards conformation, hence why me and my horse don't do too well there either, but do much better in working hunter!
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TO the OP--it's possible that your TB could be a Hunter candidate. At first I thought his left knee was a little bit over, but I covered up the right leg peeking out and took another look and changed my mind.
Thanks, Minstrel for that very effective picture and explanation post. THAT is what we all look for in a good hunter and good hacking horse!
The TB in question will need a lot work and muscling, and, of course, he must show an interest and aptitude for jumping. If not, NO amount of training will make him show at jumping courses well.
I like how relaxed he is, even IF it's bc he's underweight and undermuscled. I would start schooling with 1/2 ground work and 1/2 under saddle, every session. Once he feels stronger he'll BE stronger and harder to control. Then, if you don't want to keep him, you'll have put enough time in on him to give him a good home.
But, I think I'd enjoy him, for the time being. =D
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