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post #1 of 13 Old 07-28-2020, 12:26 AM Thread Starter
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So I currently have my best friend’s two TB’s in my care while she is in Basic training. Right now I am trying to get them in top health as they have had some stressful moves that have taken a toll on especially the one. She lost some weight which we’re slowly gaining back, mainly just the top line needs filled out at this point.
But she has very sensitive skin, as do all thoroughbreds, and almost constantly has rain rot/dry skin/hair loss/etc around her back. Her feed currently consists of beet pulp, SafeChoice Performance, (adding some alfalfa in place of some beet pulp), ground flax seed, canola oil, & garlic powder. 24 hr turnout on grass as well.

If there’s any supplements or products you guys have had success with, I’d love to hear them. I think I’ve heard of M.T.G products being pretty effective but haven’t used it much myself and not a fan of the greasiness but willing to try.

I’ve attached photos of what she looks like right now, after using a very gentle curry brush and soft brush to get the worst. The fact that it’s currently been in the humid 90s hasn’t helped with the constant sweating, so shes often very crusty.
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post #2 of 13 Old 07-28-2020, 01:38 AM
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I donít like MTG, except to rub on the fetlock hair to deter ticks:)

It is greasy and will only exacerbate the situation, IMO. If you do decide to try it, do a test patch as i have read of more than one horse having a bad skin reaction and one needed a vet.

Is the horse on garlic for tick control or something else? I might think about ditching the canola oil because you are feeding flax seed, she should be getting plenty of Omega-3ís that way.

The way I have controlled serious rain rot and scratches is to add an extra 3,000 IU of pure Natural Vitamin E without selenium unless you know your area is really low in selenium.

Topically you can make a 60:40 mix of original Listerine:water in a spray bottle. Equate brand is cheap.

Spray it on the back and wipe the back/rump down with a paper towel. Sometimes the dander on the paper towel will be black from the rain rot. I apply the mix once every day until the dander is no longer black.

You folks are stuck in a southern heat/humidity weather pattern, which isnít helping. Buy an animal antiseptic shampoo thatís made for skin issues. Where you live, the vets may have something at their clinics.

I use MalAcetic but it has to be ordered. I buy a gallon but it lasts for years and can also be used on dogs and cats, if the cat can be collared, lollo

Is the crustiness all over or in spots? Iíve discovered Cortisone10 works for bites really well. You could clean the crusts with Vetericyn or water, then dot her up, like a war horse, with Cortisone10 cream, AFTER you spray with Listerine:water. It seems to heal things really fast

Hope this helps and you get your friendís horses back on track. Best wishes to your friend, as well. BASIC Training is scary enough, now thereís Covid19 to deal with.
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Rain rot is also known as rain scald and on lower extremities is often referred to as mud fever.
Being you make comment about this being a ongoing problem I would be concerned something is missing in the diet
Healthy horses should not be plagued by rain rot.
Stressed or not...once in a great while, not often should it affect a animal.

Original Listerine, and store brand/generic works as well as the expensive product.
No to the MTG... many horses sunburn from it and get serious reactions and you said 24/7 pasture gives her much sun exposure.
A anti-bacterial shampoo and if you can remove scabs, do so those that are loose so the underneath skin can heal better.
Rain-rot can be bacterial or a fungal infection of the skin... left untreated properly it can spread to many more areas of the body.
Rain rot is contagious horse to horse and by us humans sharing of grooming tools, halters and such that are infected between animals.
Cleaning, disinfecting of brushes needs done as well as each horse has their own brushes and a periodic cleaning of brushes is good practice too.
No sharing of anything, not tack, not halters, not brushes...not blankets.

I found you some articles so you can better understand what it is the horse[s] are dealing with..
https://thehorse.com/180660/dealing-...rot-in-horses/
https://thehorse.com/122494/rain-rot...nd-prevention/
..

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I don’t like MTG, except to rub on the fetlock hair to deter ticks:)

It is greasy and will only exacerbate the situation, IMO. If you do decide to try it, do a test patch as i have read of more than one horse having a bad skin reaction and one needed a vet.

Is the horse on garlic for tick control or something else? I might think about ditching the canola oil because you are feeding flax seed, she should be getting plenty of Omega-3’s that way.

The way I have controlled serious rain rot and scratches is to add an extra 3,000 IU of pure Natural Vitamin E without selenium unless you know your area is really low in selenium.

Topically you can make a 60:40 mix of original Listerine:water in a spray bottle. Equate brand is cheap.

Spray it on the back and wipe the back/rump down with a paper towel. Sometimes the dander on the paper towel will be black from the rain rot. I apply the mix once every day until the dander is no longer black.

You folks are stuck in a southern heat/humidity weather pattern, which isn’t helping. Buy an animal antiseptic shampoo that’s made for skin issues. Where you live, the vets may have something at their clinics.

I use MalAcetic but it has to be ordered. I buy a gallon but it lasts for years and can also be used on dogs and cats, if the cat can be collared, lollo

Is the crustiness all over or in spots? I’ve discovered Cortisone10 works for bites really well. You could clean the crusts with Vetericyn or water, then dot her up, like a war horse, with Cortisone10 cream, AFTER you spray with Listerine:water. It seems to heal things really fast

Hope this helps and you get your friend’s horses back on track. Best wishes to your friend, as well. BASIC Training is scary enough, now there’s Covid19 to deal with.
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Rain rot is also known as rain scald and on lower extremities is often referred to as mud fever.
Being you make comment about this being a ongoing problem I would be concerned something is missing in the diet
Healthy horses should not be plagued by rain rot.
Stressed or not...once in a great while, not often should it affect a animal.

Original Listerine, and store brand/generic works as well as the expensive product.
No to the MTG... many horses sunburn from it and get serious reactions and you said 24/7 pasture gives her much sun exposure.
A anti-bacterial shampoo and if you can remove scabs, do so those that are loose so the underneath skin can heal better.
Rain-rot can be bacterial or a fungal infection of the skin... left untreated properly it can spread to many more areas of the body.
Rain rot is contagious horse to horse and by us humans sharing of grooming tools, halters and such that are infected between animals.
Cleaning, disinfecting of brushes needs done as well as each horse has their own brushes and a periodic cleaning of brushes is good practice too.
No sharing of anything, not tack, not halters, not brushes...not blankets.

I found you some articles so you can better understand what it is the horse[s] are dealing with..
https://thehorse.com/180660/dealing-...rot-in-horses/
https://thehorse.com/122494/rain-rot...nd-prevention/
<img style="max-width:100%;" src="https://www.horseforum.com/images/smilies/runninghorse2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Runninghorse2" class="inlineimg" />..
Yes the garlic is for bug control. I’m feeding the oil right now for some extra weight gain, once she gets it back I may drop that. I’ve tried to keep her diet as rounded as I can, at least to my knowledge, the feed she’s getting has about everything but I could try adding a multi-vitamin or something? There could be an imbalance somewhere, but this has been going on before the grain, and she’s only been getting this mashup for about a month.
I’m also wondering if it may not actually be rain-rot, as it doesn’t quite come off in clumps of dirt, but rather more flakey-dandruff-y stuff. Her skin also usually seems rather dry.
It stays contained to only that area around her withers down to her loin, and the rest of her fur is normal. The other horses also don’t really seem to get it.

I’ll try bathing her with an antiseptic shampoo and the listerine, I’ve been wanting to give her at least a rinse as they’ve all been sweating so much, and have so many bug bites.

Thanks for the advice, hopefully I can have her nice and fat and shiny by the winter &#x1f643;
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post #5 of 13 Old 07-28-2020, 08:35 AM
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Depending on amounts fed when mixing types of feed you can create imbalances. If you aren't feeding the recommended amounts or at least the minimum then nutritionally you aren't providing for the basic needs. I would assume since you are trying to put weight on you are feeding an appropriate amount of the Safe Choice so that leaves imbalance or not enough of something that horse needs. I'd start with vitamin E.
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post #6 of 13 Old 07-28-2020, 12:32 PM
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Equiderma makes a lotion and shampoo for skin issues. The lotion contains Chlorhexidine, which is a great topical cleaner for bacteria/fungal skin issues. The shampoo is great for a full body treatment, but the lotion is perfect for spot application. Good luck!
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post #7 of 13 Old 07-28-2020, 12:33 PM
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Yes, to the Vitamin E as chronic and acute skin issues are generally attributed to a weak immune system.

Icees this from Horse Tech https://horsetech.com/equine-supplem...natural-e-5000.

I feed it to one horse for his environmental allergies, rain rot, & scratches.

I feed to the other horse who is IR, Cushings and has foundered in the past. Does it help this fella? I donít know but Iím feeding it anyway:)

3,000 IU daily to each of them. I could go higher if I needed to.

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I’ll look for that today when I go shopping for shampoo &#x1f44d;&#x1f3fb; Sounds like something that would definitely help.

I’ll also try to add some more vitamin E to her diet as that seems to be something often recommended. I do think she has a pretty weak immune system... she is often scratching herself up and it often takes a while to heal. Also considering she is often suffering from rain rot or something like it. About 2 years ago she got EPM so that most likely contributed to her worse health since then. She still can’t quite walk or stand properly without her hind end swaying slightly to one side.
Probably many underlying issues in this mare, but we’re trying to uncover them as we go!
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This is going to sound insane as I thought the same at first.....6-7 years ago my horse had rain rot that i could not get to go away despite all the MTG, Listerine, medicated shampoo, sprays, ointments that I tried......I posted on here and someone told me to give my horse Vitamin AD......I was desperate so gave it a try, literally cleared it up within a week. Anytime I think my horse looks like he's getting rain rot, I give him 10cc orally and never see it surface.

Best of luck! Rain rot is a pain in the butt for sure!

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This is going to sound insane as I thought the same at first.....6-7 years ago my horse had rain rot that i could not get to go away despite all the MTG, Listerine, medicated shampoo, sprays, ointments that I tried......I posted on here and someone told me to give my horse Vitamin AD......I was desperate so gave it a try, literally cleared it up within a week. Anytime I think my horse looks like he's getting rain rot, I give him 10cc orally and never see it surface.

Best of luck! Rain rot is a pain in the butt for sure!
Interesting! I never underestimate the power of vitamins... slightly off topic but I had an uncle with epilepsy and autism and my grandmother decided to take him off all his prescription meds and just fed him lots of vitamins and fruit juices. Rarely ever had seizures and he became much more alert and responsive.

Does it come in a tube of paste or something... or supplement? Not sure where or what exactly to look for. Iím assuming since you said you just do this when you see it flaring up that itís more of a when needed basis rather than a continual supplement?

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