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post #1 of 23 Old 09-05-2014, 10:38 AM Thread Starter
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black horse..... not black

Ok, my black horse in sun bleached something awful, from being on pasture all summer (before I got him). Since I got him, he has been more or less indoors, his color is coming back, should I expect that he likely won't make a full turn around to black until he sheds off in the spring?

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I don't think any color comes back as intense once it bleached out until the new coat comes in. It will look healthier but not as nice as it could.
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Yes, the color will stay until it grows out. Indoors all the time isn't healthy though.
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And the mane will stay unbleached at the ends unless you pull it or trim it. I keep mine in during the day in the summer and he still bleaches some.

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I wonder if there is a certain gene that controls bleaching. My mare gets slightly bleached. Mostly just her flanks and forelock. For that matter her winter coat bleaches out right before shedding and the new coat comes in black.

But she definitely doesn't bleach as bad as some blacks that end up looking terrible. You would think she would bleach more than that being out in the Florida Sun.

I've heard that zinc and copper deficiency causes some horses to bleach more. I know my friend had a black mare that I used to ride. She bleached terribly after having her foal. She turned into this ugly brown. Prior to that she was pure black. The foal was a monster though. Just huge!

Maybe try adding a vitamin mineral supplement? Zinc and copper are the most limited in a horses diet, at least in Florida.
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To my knowledge, all black horses bleach at least bit when they stand in the sun regularly, to the point that people who need to show black horses do all kind of things, from turning the horses outside only during the night, to not letting them outside at all, to dying the horse to true black before showing, with whatever product the find (henna to hair dye for humans)

In my opinion, the horse's color is just a color, discoloration to red/brown is normal and you should just accept it; but then I have a bay, the only discoloration he has is on the mane and I don't care about it.
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My horse is technically seal brown so maybe doesn't count, but he does not bleach literally at all and is out 24/7. During the summer his brown areas are more visible, but he has a short coat and his black stays black. I don't think you can say every single horse will bleach.

I think there's a theory that E/E black will fade less than E/e black (I think that's what it is at least) but that's just a theory as far as I know.
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I'm not saying that every black horse will look chestnut, but a bit of brown/red in small areas to be seen when they stand in full light? Yeah. Your horse has it in the brown areas XD

I don't know much about genetics but the faded black issue is there in horses like Friesians, where black was the only permitted color for generations.
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my draft mixes that are black dont really sun bleach out. percheron cross and shire cross and they are crossed on appaloosas.
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I'm not saying that every black horse will look chestnut, but a bit of brown/red in small areas to be seen when they stand in full light? Yeah. Your horse has it in the brown areas XD

I don't know much about genetics but the faded black issue is there in horses like Friesians, where black was the only permitted color for generations.
"a bit of brown/red in small areas to be seen when they stand in full light? Yeah. Your horse has it in the brown areas XD"

Sorry that doesn't really make sense. My horse is brown in his brown areas because he's supposed to be brown because he is genetically brown. ??? My point is the areas where his coat is jet black do not bleach. He has extremely slight bleaching on the very very ends of his forelock and tail. None at all on the body. Again, he is out 24/7 and not blanketed.

I know other horses that don't bleach as well. Yes, many do, but many have very very minimal/do not. Actually extreme bleaching is rare in my area. Maybe because it's a little further north, maybe because a lot of horses are not out 24/7, maybe there aren't many true blacks, not sure haven't really paid attention :)

I'm trying to find good pictures, but he is so dusty in all the summer ones he does look brown!!
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