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post #11 of 21 Old 12-27-2018, 02:26 AM Thread Starter
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I have three horses and they all lift their feet differently for picking and trimming. Laela will lift her back feet high and I just hold on to it until she relaxes it down so I can work on it. Novia will barely lift her foot off of the ground, but she's kind of lazy. I have to lift it manually higher (not excessively) to work on it. Star will yank her feet up really fast as though she's afraid if she doesn't she'll be in trouble. I also have to just hold it until she relaxes but she has gotten better at not being so nervous with this over time.

Every horse is different. If you can work on their feet without issue then I don't think that it matters how they lift their feet. I don't think that there is an exact proper way and I'm sure they have their reasons for lifting the way that they do.
Huh. Okay. thats helpful. Iíll work with her a bit more and see if I can find something that works better for her physiology.
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2 points of clarification:

1. While I like the farrier a lot, she did also tell Ariaís owner that the lesion on Ariaís butt is a wart, when its clearly a sarcoid. (I know this because I sent a picture to the vet.) So, farrierís medical advice is not to be taken too seriously.

2. Iím in Honolulu right now, and something is occurring to me...

Iíve been teased on this forum for being one of those people who imagines a ďmajickalĒ connection with a horse.

But as Iím in a real city right now, itís occurring to me that mainlanders all have a lot of ďmagicĒ they donít realize.

Itís pretty majickal that some places have street lights. And barnsówith roofs! With people who work there, and lights that turn on at night. Itís majickal that in some places there are veterinarians with x-ray machines, and CAT scans, and so many horse trainers that they can fight with one another over who is the best horse trainer.

Itís majickal to have a level of civilisation in which there are knowledgeable professionals at your disposal 24/7.

I donít live in a place with that kind of magic.

Where I live, everyone believes that the most important thing to have for riding is a connection with your horse.

Why?

Because thatís the ONLY thing we have.

We have no stables, no barns, no real trainers, and no veterinarian.

You know what we have most days? A shotgun and a backhoe. And a bunch of abandoned horses.

So, yeah. I believe some woo-woo things. But I really am doing the best I can. Itís just hard to imagine, when you live in a world with a lot of resources, what goes on in places with very limited resources.
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post #13 of 21 Old 12-27-2018, 08:28 AM
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Huh. Okay. thats helpful. Iíll work with her a bit more and see if I can find something that works better for her physiology.
As long as she's not being a jerk and trying to kick you, I just don't see the issue with how she picks her feet up. A lot of horses will pick their leg up high and then relax it back down. That's all I'm saying.
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post #14 of 21 Old 12-27-2018, 09:23 AM
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Does she do this on both sides?

I have had horses do this, but what I would do is hold loosely onto the foot, and ASK them to lower it to the desired position. I would describe how I would do that, but I am afraid it would put you in an unsafe position....so try stepping slowly towards her, so that she lowers it.

I am a ďdropperĒ, in that, If a horse pulls away or panics, I drop the foot and start over. Some feel this trains the horse negatively, but since Iíve been training horses for 50 years, that has not been my experience. Me getting crushed by the horse is not teaching them Anything!

I live in KY, and I have no magic here!!I just quietly do my own thing, like Iíve been doing since I got a bratty pony as first horse at age 9. I didnít get a saddle, so all of the ponyís shenanigans were dealt with bareback. Luckily, I had read EVERY book available to me, And they had not just been READ, but studied!! I knew all the parts. I had imagined for so long that I even knew what riding felt like. I had one lesson before I got the pony, and the lady moved, so it was about a year before we went to another stable for a lesson, and at that lesson, I was allowed to jump.

So just keep reading. Donít fret about not using a chiropractor, nutritionist, animal communicator, massage therapist or aroma therapist. The most difficult thing to understand is that the horse KNOWS who you are and what you are thinking! (Thatís the point of putting those sticky notes on the horse in that video....so YOU can focus on a point)
Human must KNOW what it wants when it asks the horse to do it. If human is fearful, horse thinks human doesnít really know. That is why sometimes they wonít go. They are not SURE that human wants to go.

I am sure you will figure all of these equine intricacies out.....I recommend the library.

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I get what you are saying about the resources. But that doesn't mean that the resources you need don't exist there at all, it might just take more searching to find them. I've known a few horses who have moved to hawaii over the years, and I'm sure that they are well cared for. I know people who split their time between working in hawaii and working in los angeles, some of them are horse people. I've done some horse riding in hawaii on various islands and seen some ranches, especially on maui where the animals are really well cared for. If I were there trying to take on some horses, and needed better resources I'd try calling them and ask who they use. Just because you aren't at a barn where there's a vet around 24/7 doesn't mean there isn't one willing to come out with their fancy gear to take a look. I'd call the touristy horse folks and get a clue from them. They need to have their animals in peak condition for idiots who want to ride a horse in hawaii and being a business they probably have access to those resources.
It will probably just take more effort to locate what you are looking for, and I don't think it's right to think or assume it doesn't exist or is unattainable for you in the situation you are in. It will probably cost more money.
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post #16 of 21 Old 12-28-2018, 06:27 PM
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@loosie I feel like you are deliberately misunderstanding me.
No, sorry if I came across that way. Don't understand how/why you took it that way tho.
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*I* did not create a situation where this horse becomes aggressive with people who try and feed her or offer her treats.
Wasn't in the least implying that. Just saying, it's not the food, but that food could potentially be used to good effect. Including to get her safe & polite about it being offered. If she NEVER gets any when rude & I'd instead rewarded for 'polite' and 'respectful' behaviour, her attitude & behaviour will change.

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There may well be a physical component. However, Iím fairly sure that what I see as anxiety really is anxiety.

But what do I know? Iím clearly the *only cause* of Ariaís issues.
Yes anxiety is often caused from worry of pain, so I'm positive she is also anxious about it. I've worked with many an anxious horse, but for her to hoik her leg up like that doesn't sound anything like a 'general anxious' response.

I dont have a clue of your reason for the second comment, almost sounds like you're having a go at us about something...

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg

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post #17 of 21 Old 12-29-2018, 12:53 AM
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lesion on Ariaís butt is a wart, when its clearly a sarcoid. (I know this because I sent a picture to the vet.) So, farrierís medical advice is not to be taken too seriously.
I agree, of course you shouldn't take a non-medical expert's medical opinion on blind faith (tho I find blind faith in vets hard too, personally). But at the same time, I believe others opinions shouldn't be dismissed blindly either, just because a person got something wrong in the past. But on that note, a sarcoid is very similar to a wart & maybe some people refer to them as such - don't kno that last bit, just speculating.

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So, yeah. I believe some woo-woo things. But I really am doing the best I can.
Sorry, im lost on your telling us all that im afraid. Can only think the relevance of it is because you said you believed it was 90% training & only 10% physical, and I questioned that, as esp in absence of vet opinion and your telling us you're a beginner, yeah that bit struck me as quite 'woo-woo' actually. Without further details I'd be more inclined to guess (from my experience of 20 years as a farrier) the opposite.

Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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post #18 of 21 Old 12-31-2018, 02:07 PM
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Growing up I rode a school horse that did the same thing, but it was due to an old tendon injury.
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post #19 of 21 Old 01-20-2019, 12:59 PM
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I used to own a gelding that became unbalanced and would stumble when you picked up a hind hoof, long story short the vet diagnosed him with epm. He started to recover but had to be euthanized after a bad fall. Keep a watch out, it could be something as simple as sore hocks to something as severe as a neurological issue. Not trying to scare you, just sharing my encounter.
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post #20 of 21 Old 01-29-2019, 06:45 PM
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I have dealt with youngsters that will literally fall over when they are first getting their feet done with the farrier. They don't usually know how to balance themselves to stay upright and start literally falling over on one side. If you have a good farrier who is patient and quiet with the horses, you can line up the horse along a stall door and that gives them something to lean against the first couple of times when they learn to get their feet done.
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