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post #11 of 26 Old 09-30-2010, 09:48 AM
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So he can receive a tax write off since he has no job and is a drunkard.
I'm curious as to this particular quote. HOW would he get a 'tax write off' for having horses? Unless he's a breeder, trainer, or lesson instructor, just having horses doesn't qualify one for tax breaks. The number of animals doesn't matter; they have to be providing a source of income in order to get the ag deduction.

As to the rest of it, is he aware that you're trespassing on his land? You can get in massive amounts of trouble if he catches you, because the law will be on his side. Feeding someone else's horses is also against the law unless you've received express permission from the owner, because they're considered personal property.

If the horses are as bad off as you say and AC won't do anything, then yes, contact your local news people. They're always looking for exposes, and they salivate at stories about 'corrupt officials' who won't do anything.

I completely understand how frustrating it is to see animals in horrid conditions and without proper feed or clean water. Unfortunately, it's neither your right nor your place to interfere, unless you're willing to buy the animals from this man and take them home.

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post #12 of 26 Old 09-30-2010, 09:58 AM Thread Starter
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animal control came out when the halter was in his face, they just gave him another warning. He doesnt feed them, animal control told him to buy feed, the feed has sat in a shed for god knows how long...my friend used to help him with deworming and such and she says the conditions are pretty bad. The water is murky, algae everywhere and disgusting, he put the horses in the paddock with grass one day on an extremely hot day with no water so we brought a bucket of water and the horses drank a tonnnn of it....we left it there and he came out, dumped the water, then left a note saying that we better not leave water out for his horses again because other animals or people could poison his horses no idea why it made him so mad.

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post #13 of 26 Old 09-30-2010, 10:01 AM Thread Starter
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he knows we have been feeding them...he has seen the girl give them hay and he didnt care. and i have not trespassed on his property, the horses are by the road and my friends backyard is right next to it, and one time the mini got loose so i caught it and brought it back to him so thats when i saw the water and shelter situation

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post #14 of 26 Old 09-30-2010, 10:03 AM
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While it's admirable that a local animal lover is feeding the horses for this yahoo, it also helps him keep them. Sad to say, the worse they look, the more likely AC is to remove them or take action. The animal lover could also be leaving themself open to legal action as well for feeding the horses - especially if something goes wrong.

As for the tax write off, tax laws differ from state to state. You have to actually have a breeding operation or money making operation (such as a training facility) to qualify for any deductions on your federal taxes. (Lose money for too many years, though, and you are no longer allowed to take the deduction, I believe, because it drops you into the "hobby farmer" status.)

However, having horses on the property may well qualify for a lower property tax, as the county could then consider it agricultural property rather than residential. That's the way it works around here, anyway. I think you also have to have a tractor to get the agricultural classification.

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post #15 of 26 Old 09-30-2010, 10:14 AM Thread Starter
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yeah, i might be a little off on the tax write off, it was just what i was told... and i know feeding them helps him keep him, but animal control just keeps giving him warnings and you used to be able to see ALL the bones, and i dont want to see him die during the winter just like the chestnut because he has the potential to be such a great pony. All we are feeding them is hay because grain can make them colic if not properly given since they have not had any for years...AC came out bout a month or so before the chestnut died. I dont think they have been sending actual horse people so AC doesnt know the severity they once was.

After 4 + years of trying to get these horses out of there, contacting everyone we possibly could we just gave in and fed them. We didnt contact like the news and such because although it could be anoymous, we did not want the chance of him finding out who reported him because we live so close, and he is an alcoholic and my mom doesnt want him to show up to the horse mad and drunk since me and my sister are often home alone.

I believe we are raising money to get the farrier out, my friends husband is a horse dentist, and i have a vet that would come out to give them shots. we are working on having him agree to let us help his horses since the feet are in bad condition.

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post #16 of 26 Old 09-30-2010, 10:42 AM
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Everything you are doing is helping him keep the horses. I think the term is being an "enabler". Every time you help him out, he gets to keep his horses longer. STOP supporting him!

The horses are not yours. The situation they are in sucks, but if you have called everyone that you can think of to call, then there isn't much more you can do really. If you want to contact the newpaper/new channel, go to the library/school and make up a fake email and send it from there. Then it can not be traced back to your IP address (Just NEVER check this email from home!!). Most news writers will try and prevent their source from being identified though. Besides, if he showed up at your house, that is easily a phone call to the cops for tresspassing and possibly threats.

And just as a question....how do you know he is an alcoholic?

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and LCharvon, we have tried to tell him on how to care for the horses.
Just for the record, that wasn't my suggestion.
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he has a daughter a year younger then me, and my friend used to be best friends with her. the daughter lives with the mom since they got divorced because of it

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Just for the record, that wasn't my suggestion.
whoops..must of gotten confused, sorry!

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If indeed the horses are in that bad of shape and you have photos to confirm it, then its time you went one step further. If AC will not come out or comes out and then gives warnings, then go over their heads. Either contact the head of AC or go to the state level and start showing photos... Get in contact with a TV station and tell them the story, that the man is not feeding his horses, the water is gross, tell about one dying, and that AC comes out and gives warnings but then does not recheck. IF your story is as bad as you say and IF the proof shows it, then contact AC one more time and tell them that you are going above them to get somethinng done.
By feeding them, you are doing what everyone is saying, you are enabling him to continue treating the horses bad. He could actually sue you and your friends for coming onto his property, even if you are throwing hay over the fence and could very well accuse you of hurting his animals. The key point here is HIS ANIMALS.
I hate when animals are starved, etc but until the law is on your side, YOU are the one who will end up getting in trouble for butting in when it doesn't concern you.
You can persue this, just make sure that everything is just like you say, not just what you think you are seeing
Also as VelvetsAB says, how do you know he is an alcoholic?
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