Balance Forage - The Horse Forum
 10Likes
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 14 Old 08-04-2020, 10:52 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 104
• Horses: 0
Balance Forage

I cannot buy FeedXL right now so I have to do it the old fashioned way.

I have heard great things about HorseTech. I am looking to balance out my horse's forage, which consists of a legume (alfalfa) and grass hays (mixed). I am still learning about nutrition, so I need some help.

What is the difference between:
https://horsetech.com/equine-supplem...-point-pellets
https://horsetech.com/equine-supplem...gh-point-grass
https://horsetech.com/equine-supplem.../dailywerks-ld

According to this page, most horses on a forage diet generally do not need extra Vitamin A, Vitamin B2, Niacin, Vitamin B5, Vitamin B6, Iron, Maganese, Magnesium, or Potassium. Of course, it depends on the grass/hay. But, have you found this to be true? If so, is it bad that a lot of ration balancer/supplements/"feeds" have extra [insert above vitamin and minerals]? I have heard the HorseTech is good because they do not contain any or as much of [insert above vitamin and minerals].

Thanks.
GoGo5 is offline  
post #2 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 08:15 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Middle Tennessee
Posts: 9,342
• Horses: 0
1. Technically you should have your hay tested to see what minerals it is deficient in and go from there. HorseTech does custom make supplements, BTW:)

2. That said, if your horse has access to decent pasture, along with some hay, and isnít losing his hair or his hooves, do not over think this:)

2.1 A generalized vit/min supplement is almost always sufficient. If a horse is short on copper:zinc due to high iron intake, for example, copper:zinc can be supplemented if there isnít enough in the General vit/min.

3. Iíve Been feeding HorseTech products since 2014 and a few other folks on HF also use their products.

****

Getting back to your links:

1. Unless your horse is dealing with some arthritis, link #3 (Daily Werks is overkill. The first named products are for arthritic issues and my thought is ďif it works donít spend money fixing it.Ē

2. Links #1 & #2 are the same identical product. The only difference is one is in meal form, the other is pellet form and the pellets cost more money.

I have fed the meal form, without issue since 2014. All my horses eat is one measure cup of straight Timothy pellets & a bit of water to mix the supplements into.

2.1. Do not add a condensed vit/min supplement to a feed or ration balancer that already has vit/mins in it. That will be over load and may possibly cause toxicity.

2.2. Anytime a person feeds a condensed vit/min supplement they are lowering calorie intake so as to provide the horse with the vit/minerals it needs without the horse gaining weight.

If your horse(s) are easy keepers, this is the way to go.

Hope this helps:)
rambo99 and Jolly101 like this.

A Good Horseman Doesn't Have To Tell Anyone; The Horse Already Knows.

I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
walkinthewalk is offline  
post #3 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 08:52 AM
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 10,928
• Horses: 12
Don't get hung up on exact amounts. There is a safe range for every vitamin and mineral. The goal is to ensure your horse is meeting the minimum needs. Custom mixes are meant to optimize and are based on using analysis of what is fed (hays and feeds) not just a general assumption. What is in feeds, ration balancers and concentrates are like you taking a multi vitamin. Rounding out what you get in a typical diet so there are no deficiencies. The only time there are specifics (semi custom) are when you are feeding one forage type or another. Purina Strategy is an example. There are two versions. One that is supplemented to complement a diet that is mostly alfalfa(AX) and one that is for grass(GX). Most horses don't need all the extras people add and that can actually cause imbalances if not careful.
walkinthewalk likes this.

Some horse people change their horse, they change their tack and discipline, they change their instructor; they never change themselves.
QtrBel is offline  
post #4 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 09:21 AM
Started
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,324
• Horses: 0
Like @walkinthewalk said have hay tested. Horse tech will do a custom blend. That's what I've done tested hay then horse tech did a custom vit/min.

This year's hay is also being tested. So might have to adjust supplement some depending on hay analysis.
walkinthewalk likes this.
rambo99 is offline  
post #5 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 09:47 AM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 104
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by walkinthewalk View Post
Links #1 & #2 are the same identical product. The only difference is one is in meal form, the other is pellet form and the pellets cost more money.
What's the best bang-for-your-buck-before-it-goes-rancid deal? I only have one horse.
GoGo5 is offline  
post #6 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 11:50 AM
Trained
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Middle Tennessee
Posts: 9,342
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoGo5 View Post
What's the best bang-for-your-buck-before-it-goes-rancid deal? I only have one horse.
Keep it in the house - no kidding

Nothing I give my horses is cheap so everything stays in a spare bedroom:)

The 35# bucket of the meal form lasts right around 90 days for two horses.

I think the next smallest is a 15# container which should be ok for you. Thatís 240 ounces. The feeding requirement is three ounces daily.

15# should last you ~80 days for one horse ó- provided I calculated correctly. Math is one thing nobody should ever trust me on

A Good Horseman Doesn't Have To Tell Anyone; The Horse Already Knows.

I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
walkinthewalk is offline  
post #7 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 12:00 PM
Started
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 2,324
• Horses: 0
@walkinthewalk think it says right on container ,how many days it last feeding one horse.

I keep my supplement in the barn,it has stayed good all summer. If I kept it in house I'd forget to give it to my horses.
walkinthewalk likes this.
rambo99 is offline  
post #8 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 12:24 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 104
• Horses: 0
Quote:
Originally Posted by walkinthewalk View Post

Keep it in the house - no kidding

Nothing I give my horses is cheap so everything stays in a spare bedroom:)

The 35# bucket of the meal form lasts right around 90 days for two horses.

I think the next smallest is a 15# container which should be ok for you. Thatís 240 ounces. The feeding requirement is three ounces daily.

15# should last you ~80 days for one horse ó- provided I calculated correctly. Math is one thing nobody should ever trust me on
Quote:
Originally Posted by rambo99 View Post
@walkinthewalk think it says right on container ,how many days it last feeding one horse.

I keep my supplement in the barn,it has stayed good all summer. If I kept it in house I'd forget to give it to my horses.
Yeah. I do not think that I can keep it at my house. :/

What about the refrigerator? We have a little fridge at the barn.
GoGo5 is offline  
post #9 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 12:33 PM Thread Starter
Foal
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 104
• Horses: 0
I also found https://strideanimalhealth.com/conte...o/101-spec.pdf.

It is also iron and soy-free. How does it compare to the High Point Grass? (https://horsetech.com/high-point-grass). The price is about the same.
GoGo5 is offline  
post #10 of 14 Old 08-05-2020, 05:12 PM
Weanling
 
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 447
• Horses: 0
Stride appears to have a bit less in it than highpoint, although I've only done a few quick calculations (off of maintenance dose 100g) and have not looked at the supplement, as a whole yet. Copper is 100mg and Zinc is 270mg vs 125mg and 360mg in High Point. Ca is 7.66g per serving and 6g per 100g serving in Stride... you get the point. Stride also appears to have less amino acids added.

It's not a huge difference, but if the price is relatively similar, then I'd personally go with High Point.
walkinthewalk and GoGo5 like this.
Jolly101 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.



User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome