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post #1 of 7 Old 07-06-2020, 04:01 PM Thread Starter
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Hello All,

I have been mesmerized by CBD and how it has helped some of the horses I work with directly. However, I have not been able to find a concrete answer when it comes to dosage. I have heard some numbers floated around, however, nothing from a vet and such. I currently give 50mg daily to my equine who weighs about 1800lbs.

Any advice would be appreciated!
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post #2 of 7 Old 07-06-2020, 05:06 PM
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I know someone who gave her horse an alternative herb remedy with CBD in it... Believe it or not but the horse got much better... I don't know about the dose though...
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post #3 of 7 Old 07-06-2020, 05:34 PM
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What a hornets nest this thread could become..
CBD products are not approved by the FDA, so technically illegal to give to humans/animals... with the exception of one specific that is used to treat 2 rare forms of epilepsy in humans.
There is only 1 company who manufactures the epilepsy drug for human use, there are yet to many unknowns including organ failure and death for any other approvals... https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consum...is-or-cannabis
There is much in the news about vaping compounds made from CBD products and that many humans are suffering terrible illness, and for some death directly attributed to those products.
Animal testing usually comes long before human testing of new drugs...

For animal use...no.
Nothing is approved that I am aware of for equines.
Below a article I C&P from: https://www.tacomaequine.com/post/2019/04/19/cbd

Pot. Weed. Marijuana. THC. CBD. Cannabis sativa plants and their various components are called many things. Cannabis has a long history of use by people as an herbal medicine, dating back thousands of years. However, for various political and societal reasons, cannabis was vilified in the early 1900s and later classified as a Schedule I drug in 1972.

Cannabidiol, or CBD, is one of the over 100 cannabinoids found in cannabis, and is not mind-altering. It acts on different parts of the nervous system than Tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which is the well-known psychoactive cannabinoid in marijuana. In recent years the use of CBD supplements in humans has taken off, believed to help with conditions such as chronic pain and anxiety. Not surprisingly, the use of CBD supplements is on the rise in animals as well.

CBD supplements can be derived from either marijuana or hemp. Hemp contains very low concentrations (0.3% or less) of THC whereas marijuana contains much higher concentrations, up to 40%. Due to the low levels of THC, hemp, which is primarily used for industrial purposes, was removed as a Schedule I substance and reclassified as an agricultural commodity under the Agricultural Improvement Act of 2018.

Weíve been asked if we recommend using CBD in horses for various conditions but at this time we cannot recommend its use in horses, or in any animals. Hereís whyÖ

  • There are a plethora of legal grey areas.
  • Marijuana-Derived CBD is still federally illegal and on a state-level itís not legal for use in animals.
  • Federal law prohibits the use of cannabis for medicinal or recreational purposes. While over half the states, including Washington, have legalized it for medical use in humans, it is still illegal for use in animals on a state level.
  • The US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), who has the power to reclassify cannabis to a Schedule 2 drug under the Controlled Substances Act, denied a petition to do so based on the recommendations of the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in 2016.
  • Of major note is that the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), who approves and regulates products with therapeutic claims, has approved only one product derived from cannabis for use in people who suffer from seizures related to two rare forms of epilepsy. Otherwise, they have not approved the use of the cannabis as medicine in any other form or product
  • The 2018 bill did not legalize CBD regardless of what it's derived from.
  • CBD from hemp must adhere to certain regulations in order to be removed as a Schedule I substance and be legal.
  • These regulations include containing less than 0.3% THC, adhering to shared state-federal regulations, and being grown by a properly licensed grower.
  • There is a lack of scientific data on the use of CBD in horses.
  • While there are some studies supporting the use of CBD for therapeutics in humans, there are very limited amounts of scientific evidence for its use in animals. Most of the claims regarding the benefits of the use of CBD in animals are based on anecdotal evidence or extrapolated from studies performed on rodents.
  • There is no published data on the metabolism or withdrawal times of CBD in horses. This means if you use a product, it is possible it could show up on a drug test if you are competing at a regulated show. (FEI and USEF both ban natural & synthetic Cannabinoids and other cannabimimetics.)
  • CBD can interact with other medications, and we donít know how it reacts to drugs commonly used in horses.
  • Dosage recommendations on supplements arenít necessarily based on anything other than a best guess as to what would be effective by the people making the product.
  • CBD oils and supplements arenít regulated.
  • Since the FDA hasnít approved cannabis for use as medicine (other than the one product), CBD products arenít regulated, arenít produced under the guidance of good manufacturing practices, and arenít subject to federal regulations regarding labeling, purity and reliability. Meaning there are no assurances as to their efficacy, safety, content, purity, bioavailability, and consistency between batches.
  • Some oils arenít pure and can contain trace amounts of THC, which is toxic in some animals, and other substances.
  • While we may recommend unregulated supplements for things like joint health, they do not potentially contain a Schedule I drug like hemp-derived CBD supplements can.

A lot more research needs to be done to determine whether CBD is beneficial in horses. The trick with this is that as long as marijuana is federally listed as a Schedule I drug, the ability of scientists and researchers to study the use of cannabis for new therapeutics or drugs is much more challenging. With the recent reclassification of hemp, hemp-derived CBD studies are becoming more widespread, including in veterinary medicine, and we look forward to seeing what the results of these studies show.

As veterinarians we canít risk recommending something that could affect our ability to practice and that doesnít have enough research behind it to support its therapeutic usage. We donít know what route of administration is most effective, what dosage will result in desired benefits, or if there are any long-term risks with chronic use of CBD. We are always open to new drugs and therapies for horses, and if down the road the legalities surrounding Cannabis become less of a tangled web, and there is research and data to support it's use in horses, we will consider it's utility on a case-by-case basis.

Just as most OTC supplements are also not FDA approved, nor regulated, no oversight to make sure dosage to dosage are the same, proper testing with control groups, follow-up studies have not been done as is required for approved, sanctioned "supplements/medications" to be sold under federal protocol doesn't mean people don't use them...
But CBD for your horse...
There are no guidelines, no recommended dosage and no known adverse reactions recorded nor known what to give to stop a deadly reaction.
Is it risky to administer...you bet.
Would I/will I use a product that makes claims to cure or help with so many unknowns that a vet won't give you a dosing amount, you can't easily find a dosing amount on the internet of unlimited knowledge good and bad...heck no.
Although a first time post and I welcome a new member, I truly hope not one member would give you information that if incorrect could kill your horse, period.
Yea, no...not going there from me even if I knew the answer. sorry...
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post #4 of 7 Old 07-07-2020, 05:57 AM
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oh well, I don't know anything about it. I just know that in my country it is possible and the horse I know got it because of pain issues. It got treated by a vet and with herbs and it healed pretty well. I am not sure if it is illegal here but smoking weed is totally legal here for your own use. (selling it or buying it isn't) but then again, I live nearby the Netherlands where weed is legal. :)

Please do carefully consider and listen to a vet that knows what he or she is doing. A horse can't tell you exactly what it feels and so it is important to take good care of the well being of the animal.
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Hello All,

I have been mesmerized by CBD and how it has helped some of the horses I work with directly. However, I have not been able to find a concrete answer when it comes to dosage. I have heard some numbers floated around, however, nothing from a vet and such. I currently give 50mg daily to my equine who weighs about 1800lbs.

Any advice would be appreciated!
I think dosage depends on what you are looking to "help", form and purity of the product.
As horselovinguy mentioned it is not FDA approved or regulated, purity and quality is not guaranteed.

In my small, recent experience, I found two products to be beneficial for anxiety in horses. However saw no difference in pain relief. But like people, horses have different reactions so take it for what it's worth, anecdotal.
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Wow I appreciate all of the feedback on this subject. I understand the issues that can come with purity and potency but there are some relatively large companies selling these products and some that are even public companies with a lot to lose. So yes I wouldn't purchase CBD oil from a sketchy vendor or at a sketchy retail location. I also hear you on it not being FDA regulated. However just because a product is FDA regulated doesn't mean it can't do harm or have health risks, example A would be cigarettes.
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I am very interested in the effects that CBD can have on different ailments. I haven't yet tried it for myself or on any of my animals. It definitely warrants quite a bit of research.

I have been told that my old GSD could benefit from CBD for his arthritis as well as anxiety, but I am a little hesitant to actually try it. Like you, I am not sure on dosage and would hate to do more harm than good. It would have to be a very good product, as THC is harmful to pets and I would hate to inadvertantly poison my animal.

Products are very easy to get here with weed being 100% legal now. It is a very interesting subject and hopefully more test studies become available.

I would much rather treat my pets and myself with herbal 'natural' drugs than something from a pharmaceutical company. So FDA means absolutely zilch to me in most cases.
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