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post #11 of 59 Old 06-25-2017, 10:46 PM
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Number one, you need to ensure he has hay *to last him the night*. That is the most likely reason for him colicking - horses aren't built to go hungry for long periods and this will cause gut damage! Hopefully he hasn't been left hungry regularly for long(just moved there or such?) so hopefully there is little gut damage so far, and a healthy feeding regime might be all that's needed to allow him to heal.

I am imagining this has been happening because you're a novice horse owner & have just trusted an experienced 'barn' to look after your horses for you. Unfortunately, 'experienced' or 'professional' or 'accepting money for a service' doesn't necessarily equate to 'knowledgeable' or 'best practice'... Always pays to do your own homework.

Number 2, why is he stalled so much? That's not good for him, for a number of reasons, physically or mentally. Including effecting his digestion, so maybe being a part of the colicking. Especially if he's cooped up in a box for all but a few short hours a day when you get to it. If you can't at least ensure the horse is turned out, pref with company, for the MAJORITY of EVERY 24 hrs, then he should not be stalled at all(obviously barring injury/illness & vet proscribed confinement). Best for all, by the sound of it, if he were turned out 24/7 with other horses, so he can BE a horse.

Re 'money's tight', yeah, not many, if any of us here don't get that sentiment I reckon. None of us want to pay good money to a vet if it's unneeded. But you have taken on this horse, which means you are fully responsible for his health & wellbeing. And colic is one of those things that can be not just serious but fatal! You need to treat this very seriously.

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I would have him checked for ulcers.
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Nope it only protects against large and small strongyles, pinworms and roundworms. Sigh. How soon can I worm him again with something else?

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Safeguard is Fenbendazole and Quest or Quest Plus or Zimectrin are totally different. Quest has Moxidectin, Quest Plus has Moxidectin & Praziquntel and Zimectrin Gold is Ivermectin & Praziquantel. If he's never had any of the 3, I'd wait at least a week before I gave him another deworming. Ideally you would have a fecal test done first and do what the vet recommends as effective for what he has, if he has anything.

If he was my horse, and I understand you're tight on money, I would have him seen by the vet. Losing weight, colicking every morning at a certain time, all have implications for being something else with colic as a symptom. I just put down a mare that I had brought back from starvation who has been colicky for the last 2 years. She had damage caused by the starvation and despite everything we tried, we just couldn't stop her from twisting her gut. She had repeated mild colics that resolved on their own and was treated by the vet numerous times. Eventually she had a bad one and suffered torsion and the decision was made to euthanize her. The vet had warned us that with the repeated colics it might get worse.
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1. You NEED. to get a vet involved.

2. When my gelding started to have colics and wouldn't stop (he had never clicked a day in his life), the vet said I was not only dealing with hind gut ulcers but I was also dealing with strangulating lipomas.


https://www.addl.purdue.edu/newslett.../pen_lip.shtml

I put him on "Succeed" and bought him 2-1/2 more years. He stopped colicking. However, at the end, he did have one last huge colic and had to be PTS'd.

3. Get the vet out!. Most of us live the phrase "money is tight". I am retired ---- every bit of my retirement income goes to my horses and then some.

Hanging lipomas are common in geldings for some reason. You had better get your horse examined to know for sure why he is suddenly,y a frequent colic victim.

BTW, my gelding looked every bit as healthy as yours. Bright eyes, coat as slick as a peeled onion, remained the strong alpha leader until his last day----------------

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Number one, you need to ensure he has hay *to last him the night*.
This is something easy to try; just put a couple flakes in a small-mesh hay net, and hang it in his stall. Horses need to be able to nibble on forage 24/7; it's just the way their digestive system is designed. Umm, this is real equine science BTW . . .

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Ulcers(Hind gut or gastric), parasites or sand would be the top culprits. But a vet really is necessary. Colic is NOT something to play around with.
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Hay all night, psyllium for sand, full time turn-out, and get the vet out. Those are all the things I would do. You need to move your horse if he is doing so poorly there, and there is no reason a young horse like that which is not in work should be stalled. It is unhealthy, period.

I don't want to be harsh here, but if you cannot afford a vet when your horse is sick -- and he very clearly is -- you might need to rethink owning a horse.

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I can really only echo what others have already said
The type of worms that are most likely to cause colic are tapeworm, encysted small strongyles and roundworm/ascarids (mostly seen in young horses and can be a huge risk of causing impaction)
You need to look at the active ingredients and not just select a de-wormer at random.
Praziquantal for tapeworm, moxidectin for encysted small stongyles and Ivermectin and moxidectin or something from the benzimidazoles group or pyrantel pamoate for roundworms.
These 3 types of parasites are on the often overlooked because the first two don't show up on fecal tests and the ascarids will only show up as a burden when they're in the egg laying stage.
One big downside of killing off lots of ascarids in one go is that they can also cause a blockage so if suspected its safer to use a low dose and try to kill them off more gradually - talk to your vet about it
It could well be ulcers and they could be in both or one area of the stomach or in the hind gut
It could be sand colic
It could be internal lymphoma
It could be caused by him having an empty stomach for a long period and then suddenly eating a largish feed - if he's stabled at night and has eaten everything by early hours of the morning or even sooner then that can happen - gas colic can also occur from same.
Lastly - is it colic or is in related to his urinary tract - difficulty peeing due to kidney stones, infection, or a large 'bean' blocking the flow - these can all present like colic

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@loosie No, I've had horses off and on since I was 12. I give my horses enough hay to last throughout the day or night when I'm there but the barn owner doesn't. I have asked her repeatedly to give him more and she will for a while then starts to ration again. She feeds enough for an adult horse in good weight who is not in heavy work - but not enough for a colt, or a horse being ridden consistently, etc. Unfortunately this is the only place to board a horse within a three hour drive, so moving him is not an option. I can fill hay nets for him but that will only work on the days that I'm there - I can ask the barn owner to fill them but I don't trust her to do it consistently. I am there as often as I can be with my job, but I am on call and I never know when I'm going to be around or not. As stated before, there are no turnout options here. I suppose I can ask her if I can rig up a temporary hot fence somewhere but there would be no shelter and the only grassy area is too far away from any water source. I called an equine specialist yesterday because my Podunk local vet isn't open on weekends, and while she couldn't give an idea of what the cause is (I figured as much, it's nearly impossible to do over the phone) she did say a rectal palpation would at least let us know if something more major is going on. But if there was an impaction, he wouldn't be pooping at all would he? As far as I can tell he only doesn't poop during the 3 hour episode every morning.

@flytobecat , @Dehda01 Yes I was wondering if perhaps ulcers are the cause. I'll have to read up on those, never had experience with them before.

@DreamCatcher Arabians I wanted to call this morning and get a quote for a colic assessment so I'll ask about a fecal count when I call. I agree that perhaps there's something else going on here, and trust me if I weren't flat broke he'd have been seen on day 1. At this point I can no longer sit back but the equine specialist I spoke to yesterday quoted me up to $1500 for a colic assessment that includes physical exam, bloodwork, ultrasound and a sample of belly fluids and I just don't have that. I don't. In another month or two I'll have that kind of money but right now I can't do it. I'd just like to add that the weight loss is from not graining (he always has been a little on the skinny side without it) and from 4 missed breakfasts or reduced breakfasts in a week. Before the colic he looked like the above picture ... but as @walkinthewalk has pointed out just because a horse LOOKS healthy doesn't mean it is.

@walkinthewalk I'll mention to my vet the strangulating lipomas. See what she thinks.

Thanks all for your input, I am working today and won't be back in town until well after the vet is closed today but I'll see if I can get him seen tomorrow.

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@Avna I make more than enough money to keep my two horses ... but when the company decides to lay off half its workforce overnight there's only so much one can do.

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