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post #11 of 22 Old 01-04-2018, 12:42 AM
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Ah, yes, Canola oil. Try to find the pressings from it. We have a big bag up in our shed.
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post #12 of 22 Old 01-04-2018, 01:40 AM
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The reason he is not gaining is because he needs more protein! Switch his hay to alfalfa and/or feed alfalfa pellets.

When horses drop weight, first they use up their carbohydrate stores and body fat. After that they break down muscle.

You have added enough calories with the oil and grain. You need protein for him to build up muscle.

If you just add fat, you get a pot bellied horse.
Yup, I did mention to feed a hay that is around 50% alfalfa, free choice
Young growing horses need hay that is around 14% protein
Besides a balanced diet, horses also need the right amount and balance of minerals

I don't think this horse dropped weight recently,but was in poor body condition at the last place he was boarded,due to poor parasite and feed management, and is now improving,plus will do even better with some of the suggestions here
Yes, horses need higher protein amts, as building blocks, esp when growing, or in very heavy exercise, when lactating, last trimester of pregnancy, but other then that, they do fine with protein levels around 10%
Excess protein is just excreted, and why alfalfa hay in hard on horses with compromised kidney function

The first place to start, is always with first looking at the forage, and forage should be the main part of any horse's diet
My young horses always got a hay that was at least 50% alfalfa, and around here, that translates to 14 to 16% protein
My weanlings also got some concentrates (soaked beet pulp,mixed with an equal amount of rolled oats, twice a day-the hay free choice
Besides that, free choice minerals salt and open water,year round
My two year olds and up, did not get any concentrates, except some beet pulp, as needed, to add any supplements an individual horse might need.
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@Smilie I think that would answer her problem very well. Still, I think some de worker, a vet check and GI probios would help alot.

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I will put this out there for something to consider.
I have a older horse, a true rescue scoring 1.5 - 2 when I took him in.
I had him for long enough he gained back near all his weight, but he looked terrible.
I could not get the finishing bloom to him no matter what I tried.
Then I was at a rescue who uses a product called "Body Builder 4000", made by Pennwoods.
Body Builder 4000 | Pennwoods Equine Products
It was the difference in my horse truly recovering, thriving and looking good....
I came to know of it through a Paso Fino rescue a short drive from me.
The woman who runs this rescue is a breeder, competitor, trainer...well she does it all then add rescues and re-homes the horses too. She is also a recognized show judge.
Every horse in her care, on her property is on this.....rescues who were skin & bones when arriving, weeks later are near fully weighted out...that is a transformation. One done with a healthy balance in their diet with this product.
At 26% protein and 40% fat with balances in nutritional needs you will not find many other single supplements with what this has and does...it is remarkable.
Not cheap, however all the "extra" you are adding you might be able to do away with and achieve better lasting results.

So, to finish my story....
Today my old guy is a glorious looking 20++ something recovered rescue who outshines all in my pasture all the time. He looks good, he feels good, he is a sweet ride and favorite of anyone that comes over and just wants to hop on and go...dependable.
AND... I no longer push, push, push all the massive amounts of food at him. I don't need to... he keeps and holds with 4 pounds of feed a day and his normal ration of hay.
My guy is a 16 hand, large boned Thoroughbred weighing in at 1225 pounds.{yes, he was actually weighed}
All my horses are now given this and it has added "bloom" to all of them.
Coats, hooves, attitude, endurance... They just are better in every part of their existence with it...

So, something else to consider but a product my barn will never be without.
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Disclaimer...I do not get any compensation from the company making this product, None at all....what I am is a very satisfied customer.
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First thing I see is a 'potty' looking belly. I'd do a FEC and deworm accordingly. Then, ditto to he's not nearly as emaciated as he was, and from reading your post it looks like they were only moved about a month ago, so it's going going to take several months for him to gain everything back. 24/7 grass hay, alfalfa either in hay form, pellets or cubes, and I would be cutting everything but the Pinnacle 1200 from his ration and I'd cut that to the recommended amount in the feeding instructions. According to the feeding instructions he should receive between 1/2 & 3/4 of a pound per 100 lbs of body weight. So, if you want him to be 800 lbs, you would feed at the upper end of the recommendation, so 6 lbs TOTAL/DAY. Feed for the weight you WANT him to be, not where he is now.
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post #16 of 22 Old 01-04-2018, 12:46 PM Thread Starter
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They were all three just wormed again on Monday, the day the last picture was taken. It has been quite cold here the past week, but they do have heavy weight blankets on 24/7, unless of course Iím grooming or taking pictures. Iíll finish out the last little bit of BOSS and corn oil that I have left and then switch over to canola and cut out the BOSS all together. Iíll also start making the transition to less grain and more alfalfa/Timothy pellets today for their PM feeding. Iíll give it a few weeks and take a few more pictures and update you guys.

On another note, what kind of ground excercises would you all recommend to help my mares start gaining muscle back? (No riding for me as Iím 4 months pregnant, but I want to make sure they get back to being fit.)
Thanks everyone for the help!

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Was the Power Pac done within the last month? Ask your vet about having a FEC done and timing to determine when and what next for worming. He needs quality protein to build muscle and calories to gain weight over the amount just building muscle will give him. You want to make sure that he is getting the vits, mins and amino acids (in the protein) necessary to thrive. I feed a performance feed (usually they are targeted to build topline) at the rate that provides the nutritional needs (for the feeds I use it is 3 to 3.5 ponds) Topline specific feeds will have more of the amino acid balance necessary not that other feeds wouldn't but since these are targeting that they usually provide them at higher amounts and list those on the bag so you know what you are getting. They are typically higher calorie feeds too. While I like Pennwoods and it does everything it says it does, I want a supplement that focuses less on protein (amino acid profile) and more on calories as an option since my feed does it's job. I started using Manna Pro Senior Weight Accelerator and am liking the way my hard keepers are looking. It is 80% fat and also a good source of biotin, vit C and E as well as probiotics. Every one is on pasture 24/7 and at this time of year free choice grass hay. You could add alfalfa or beet pulp to boost calories of your forage. You just don't want to add so much you have to add phosphorus to keep that in balance.

ETA didn't see your reply when I posted. I'd still see about an FEC but that would be down the road now that you wormed again.
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post #18 of 22 Old 01-10-2018, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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UPDATE:
made the switch to more alfalfa/Timothy pellets over grain and switched from corn oil to canola, heís still getting a cup of sunflower seeds until I finish the big 50lb bag that I bought at the beginning of the month. I also went back to the performance feed that I had them on last year (Tribute Kalm N EZ). I think with a combination of the upped forage, less omega 6 and more omega 3s, the weight booster with added probiotics, and the second round of wormer he got in the first weíre finally seeing some results! I canít wait to see how he looks come spring!
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IMHO, he has gained some. You won't see difference overnight, it takes time. I would personally feed more hay. I try not to supplement too much (supplements are just that, supplements), the majority of the diet should be a quality free choice hay. Sounds like that's what you've got, so that's great. If it were my horse, I'd have vet out to double check everything is in order health wise, and then up the feedings of hay - example, you say free choice, but also two feedings, so just to confirm he doesn't run out of hay in between or for long? If he's getting literally two separate feedings where he's finishing everything and going a while until the next feeding, I'd give a third feeding in the middle of the day. You could also add in a flake or two of quality alfalfa, or do soaked alfalfa cubes mixed in with other necessary supplements. Just keep in mind that the hay should make up the majority of the diet, and only supplement where necessary and/or by vet recommendation. :)

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YAíLL! Thanks everyone so much for the advice! We got a warm wave of weather and the blankets came off today. WE HAVE WEIGHT GAIN! He will begin light ground work to start gaining muscle, but Iím so excited about the progress!
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