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post #51 of 87 Old 09-08-2019, 06:13 PM
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That's odd, I have not known of one farrier who will only put on shoes. Shoes are a lot more work and you don't make enough money for work, I know, ask me how many trips to the anvil I make, and hammering. If my horses could show & school year round barefoot, I would not bother learning to shoe nuttin'!
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post #52 of 87 Old 09-08-2019, 08:07 PM
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If it's a barefoot trimmer that relies on a Mustang roll to shorten the toe, I hate to tell you this, but they don't have the skills to bring back a toe and heel. They have been taught to "fake" by doing a Mustang roll, because it's easy to do and you don't have to know the internal structures of the hoof and where you can cut and angle your nippers. If the horse is balanced you don't need no roll, the horse will have its own natural break over.
I wouldn't judge how a trimmer does just on whether they do a mustang roll or not. Many of the ELPO barefoot trimmers will do a roll to finish the hoof off, but still know how to balance the trim based on the internal structures.

If you don't round off the hoof wall, it can be sharp enough for the horse to cut his own leg on the inside and will be more prone to chipping. A barefoot horse will wear a smooth edge onto his hoof, which trimming takes away, so a trimmer should put it back on after trimming if the horse is not having shoes put on.
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^Agree with both of you. Nothing wrong with an appropriate 'mustang roll', but there are many 'barefoot trimmers' who have been taught that doing this is enough to correct any problems, and that is just plain ineffective in many cases.
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post #54 of 87 Old 09-08-2019, 11:20 PM
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Finishing off a hoof trim and a Mustang roll are too very different things, lol. When you finish a trim, there will be no sharp edges. Let the tool do the work....
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@Acadianartist , if you are absolutely sure the coache's farrier only shoes --- do NOT let that farrier put shoes on your horse. IMHO, I wouldn't even send Kodak over there:)

I have seen farrier's in my lifetime that can "slap a shoe on" faster than some farrier's can do a good barefoot trim. They don't give a flip about the horse --- just "talking the talk" and impressing people who don't know any better but think they do.

Agree with so many others there is quite a bit wrong with Kodak's trim and it's a sure bet much of Harley's issues are compounded by equally poor trimming.

I know for fact with my Rusty, who has a minor club hoof, that thrush issues never went away until my new farrier came on board. Not even when I was trimming him because my mind just does not get the physics of that club hoof and how to trim it:)

I understand the $$$$ reason for not getting x-rays in the near future. I have had to shell several thousand dollars for a whole bunch of unscheduled events this last year, and it appears I'm not done yet. My Joker could benefit from new x-Rays but it simply is not going to happen. I am retired and on a fixed income. DH makes pretty decent money but it's a long way from "we hit the stupid big lottery" money.

So I understand your situation:)

The best you can do for now is to have the equine podiatrist evaluate Kodak -- actually I think she should evaluate all three horses hooves, if you can swing writing that big of a check. The fact the woman is willing to cut her fee way back speaks well of her integrity and heart to want to help your horse and not simply wave her hand over the issue, then ask for a check:)

If you really like your current farrier and she is open to learning from a bigger professional than she is -- I would invite her to be present when the podiatrist visits so she can learn what she clearly does not know -- how to put a good trim on a horse:)

You would also be learning and therefore able to keep an eye on things, if you feel your current farrier slipping back into an old and wrong routine:)

The reason I take so many pictures of hooves and bodies is because I don't always "see" what I am looking at. Giving things a mental rest for a few days, then looking at those pictures often helps me see things more clearly:)

Best wishes in getting this resolved:)
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IF and i mean IF you put shoes on look at shoes like Ground controls. they allow the hoof to function properly and they cushin a bit. Our 34 year old is having issues with arthritis and they seam to help him considerably. also the hooves from the pics look stretched out and the frogs do not look healthy to me. toes seam long from the pics.

i will agree that x rays would be good in the least. but dont discount trim and other factors. my arab was diagnosed with navicular by a vet. my other vet did not agree. 90% of her lameness has gone away with a more balanced trim and addressing ingrown bars. i know alot of people do not agree with "in grown bars" but since addressing them in my arab she has NOT has a 3 legged lame episode and is alot happier. did not "fix" her but she has not had episodes of being unable to walk 5 feet.

can we get pictures of the sides of the hooves on flat ground?
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Yeah... I'd get a different trimmer before worrying about radiographs at this point. That is not a quality trim, and could very well be the problem with your horses' soundness issues. I wouldn't worry about finding a 'barefoot trimmer' as much as finding a good trimmer. A lot of shady people hang out a 'barefoot trimmer' shingle and don't know squat about how a healthy foot should look, or how to get there from an unhealthy foot. They just rasp back the toe, trim the wall, and leave the rest of the foot alone. Which is fine if the horse has good feet-- not fine if something needs to be addressed.

The EP sounds like a great place to start. I'm curious what she says.
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Updating to say the Equine Podiatrist came yesterday and trimmed Kodak's hooves. They look very different! If I can find time, I'll try to get photos. We agreed that she is going to take over trimming Kodak in an effort to rehab her feet. She'll be coming fairly often for the next while so she can make gradual changes. We also agreed that X-rays may not be necessary if the trimming resolves the issue.

She had a look at Harley's hooves and said he has very overrun heels. I always felt he had a lot of flare in his feet, but what do I know... however, for now, she'll just do Kodak. I need to see whether she will do a good job before I let her do all the horses.

Meantime, a good horse friend of mine has told me about another barefoot trimmer that is apparently very good, and will come to our area. So that gives me a third option should the EP not work out.
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So glad that you -pursued this. If no one has ever told you this - please let me be the first. You are an exceptional owner. Your horses are so fortunate to have you in their lives. You never give up and are always looking out for them. Thank you!
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So glad you found someone! hopefully Kodiak is feeling better soon!
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