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post #11 of 15 Old 02-06-2020, 09:38 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by Jolly101 View Post
I don't know If they would consider it, but is there any rescues that may be willing to take her on? Founder can be quite an ordeal to overcome, but it can be done if the damage isn't too severe. That does require consistent farrier visits though and vet involvement. However, admittedly 7 years is a long time to go with those hooves.

How many weeks between farrier visits is she going and how long ago has she last seen the farrier? How many times has the current farrier seen her?
Her hooves have never been this bad, farrier comes out every couple months. But this is the worst I have ever seen them since we have had her. I usually work on them to maintain them but, even when they were normal looking hooves she has always walked weirdly so I know theres a lot more damage than just the outside of her hooves. I feel awful about it and I dont want people to think I've just neglected her most of the time having the mini horses and her I barely knew much about them and everything I have learned has been online since I'm the only one in my whole family that has any interest in them so all their care is on me. My other horse has had a lot going on with him the past year between that and school I feel like I've just dropped the ball so to speak. So it's not that I dont care about her I just didnt know about founder much until recently when my other horse got it. All the farriers that have seen her have basically said shes kinda always going to be that way meaning her walk and stuff so I really dont know what to do. I'm about to go to college and working right now I can barely keep up with school stuff and taking care of my senior horses meds and feeding and everything and my other horses. I already feel horrible for how she is right now but I also feel awful by putting her down because I feel like I should learn how to take care of her hooves myself. I dont want to put her down just because of inconvenience. What would you do?

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post #12 of 15 Old 02-07-2020, 09:16 AM
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There is a protocol for trimming a horse that has been foundered causing P3 rotation and distal decent of P3 which has resulted in a high degree of success as tested by a university team.

The protocol requires frequent trimming by a very knowledgeable trimmer. More knowledgeable than the bulk of trimmers. One that specializes in the rehabilitation of hooves.

Since the indication is there is not money for a rehabilitation trimmer, I see two courses.

Either bring yourself quickly and thoroughly up to date on the rehabilitation of a foundered hoof, or end the horses suffering.

There is a lot of material online that one could study and one book in particular. I'd be happy to supply sources as would others if you choose to go that route. There would be some cash outlay required for equipment.

Here is a couple of websites you can peruse to give an idea of what you are looking at.

Realigning Trim - The Laminitis Site

FAQ: Rehabilitating the feet after laminitis - The Laminitis Site
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post #13 of 15 Old 02-09-2020, 05:25 AM
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First & foremost Grace, it may seem pedantic but please include paragraph breaks, as I've edited in for you - many of us find big walls of text hard to... digest.

From what you've told & shown, sounds like you desperately need to educate yourself well on all this. **That is not meant to be a sleight on you in the least - unfortunately even a lot of 'experts'(ie prof. farriers etc) are in relative ignorance of the complete workings of hooves. And esp donkeys, so understandable that owners are often in ignorance & it will take some effort to find yourself *objective* info on this.

How do you know she had the problem prior to your grandma having her, if she had her so long? Can't tell a lot from those pics, except that her hooves have been long term deformed from insufficient/incorrect trimming. And possibly there are dietary/systemic factors also effecting her. But unless your new farrier's only done a couple of trims on her so far(because you can't 'fix' them in one-few fell swoops), I'd say he is not the one to rehab her - they should look WAY different after more than a few GOOD trims, no matter how bad they were to start.

Have you had a *good equine vet* to see her & advise? I'm guessing not, as you say you can't afford her upkeep. And if you cannot afford, and she is obviously suffering, if you can't find someone *experienced & able in *successful* rehab of founder, then maybe the kindest solution is a quick end...

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I am not the most knowledgeable person, but I've been thinking about those hooves. They don't look at all right for donkey hooves. Donkey hooves should be much more upright. Does your farrier actually know how to trim donkey hooves, as opposed to horse hooves? The more I look at them, the more I think that he was trying to make them horse-shaped. I mean, if they were trimmed recently.

If they haven't been trimmed recently, then you need to get this animal on a more frequent trimming schedule. People think 6-8 weeks is fine, but you have to look at what the animal actually needs. In my case, my Pony's hooves grow so quickly that I'm on a 4-5 or even four-week schedule with him.

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post #15 of 15 Old 02-12-2020, 02:42 AM
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^Yeah, they do look very 'run forward' but I wouldn't say they're trimmed like horses... any more than horses who are flared & foundered are often left flared/run forward by farriers who don't know better. **Bearing in mind the donk has to be held down by a number of people to be trimmed, which also doesn't help the farrier easily be able to do a good job...

A hoof's a hoof. ... which is, incidentally, something a rehab trimmer I employed said to me about my donk when I was first learning... which set huge alarm bells clanging, because his feet hardly even resemble hooves & I'd previously been told when I expressed concern 'you're just too used to looking at horse's feet'. Donkey's feet are built, and conform to the same principles as horse's feet - eg. walls should be kept to sole level, heels on the ground & the primary weight bearing apparatus, pastern bones aligned. But in reality, donk's feet do tend to be *a bit* steeper than a horse's. Just that is often an excuse to leave heels high.

As for how often trimmed, 2 months is too long for the vast majority of horses IME, to not cause issues/leave the farrier continually 'correcting' due to distortion of overgrowth. It's ideal to trim frequently enough as to *keep* hooves in well functional form, rather than wait for them to overgrow before trimming. But esp with rehab, if hooves are already problematic, then trimming little & often becomes a necessity not just an ideal, so the farrier isn't left just chasing his tail, but can make positive changes for the better at each trim. Just looking at the pics, I'd advise doing this donk every 2-3 weeks for at least a few visits, before considering stringing it out longer. Up to about 6 weekly at the outside.
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