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post #11 of 16 Old 09-29-2011, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Plains Drifter View Post
Thanks! For the help. I will run this by my vet and start her on it asap.
Yes - talk to you vet! PLEASE run the blood panel before forcing anything on her. Something is out of whack and you don't want to throw it off further.
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Personally, I do not have much faith in this person's Vet. I would be very suspicious of any Vet that did not give this horse Vitamin shots and treat her malnutrition more aggressively when he/she first saw this horse. JMHO
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Originally Posted by Cherie View Post
Personally, I do not have much faith in this person's Vet. I would be very suspicious of any Vet that did not give this horse Vitamin shots and treat her malnutrition more aggressively when he/she first saw this horse. JMHO
That is certainly your right to your opinion. However, we have not seen the horse nor were we there to hear exactly what questions the owner asked or what the vet said.

In the belly photo I see a ton of bot eggs. Was the dewormer designed to kill bots? If there are bots, there are bot flies to annoy and and cause movement = calories burned. 1 month post weaning, plus a move = stress = more calories burned.

I would still go with a blood panel before forcing any supplements on her. Some cases of extreme sudden weight loss are related to organ malfunction.
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Sorry to pick your brain some more Cherie:

1. The vitamin A? You mean Vitamin A and D? No one has heard of plain A?
2. The Liver and Iron? Where would I get that? No one has heard of it around here.
3. I have for suppliments: Bloom N Groom (vitamin and mineral suppliment for horses) and Purina's Nature's Essentials Enrich 32.

Oh a side note...she is FINALLY eating some grain. I layed some hay in with a bit of oats and sweet feed and bloom and groom (just a bit of each) and she finally started eating it, scooting the hay away. I was shocked considering I have been trying to grain her for WEEKS.

Ps. She was wormed with Zimectrin Gold.

ETA: As for the vet, they did not see anything overly wrong with her. But we were focusing mainly on the edema (which is now all but gone) and while I was there I had them look at the leg that she hit when the seller loaded her.) But sadly, I am in the middle of nowhere and the only vet available to me are mainly cow vets. I will see how she does in the next week or so and if it's not looking like she's doing better on the vitamins and suppliments then I will ask them to run a blood panel.

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post #15 of 16 Old 09-29-2011, 05:23 PM
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Yes! Vitamin A comes with Vitamin D in it. Sometimes it also comes with Vitamin E. These are the fat soluble Vitamins so are frequently packaged together.

Here is a link to an injectable iron available from Valley Vet. We but a lot of supplies through the mail from Valley Vet and Jeffers Livestock Supply. They also have the Vitamin A.
Ferrodex 100 Agri-labs (Farm Supplies - Swine Health - Swine Iron).

Like I think I mentioned, baby pigs get anemia if they are not raised on dirt, so they are just routinely given an iron injection. This stuff orally really gets a quick pick-up going on malnourished horses. None of these items are going to hurt a horse whether they need them or not and it appears that yours really needs them.

If she is starting to pick at the grain, that is good. Just limit her hay and she will eat more of it and give her the Vitamins and Probiotics to 'jump-start her.

Please do not de-worm her again without a fecal showing that she needs it. Zimecterin Gold is a very harsh de-wormer, but it is also very effective. A good probiotic (or fresh 'clean' manure) will help get her gut back in shape after the de-wormer. I would have a fecal done in 60 days or would just go out and de-worm her with a mild de-wormer like Safe-guard or Anthelcide. I would follow up in 30 to 60 days with an Ivermectin de-wormer to get the Bots.

It is perfectly normal for horses to have Bot eggs on them this time of year. All of mine do. The bots have not started migrating yet and are not available to a de-wormer until much later in the year. If you remove the eggs, those will not migrate, but you will never get them all and will still have to de-worm for them in the winter and again in the early spring.

I know what you mean about Vets. I thought you were probably dealing with a country Vet. I used to live in the mountains of Colorado and the nearest good equine vet was 75 or 85 miles away and over a mountain pass, so I lived with the all-purpose Vet clinic and learned to do most things myself. When I moved from there, the local Vet were sending me all of their bad 're-hab' cases because they did not want to bother with them and could not make enough money on them. "Necessity is the mother of invention!" It is also the mother of learning to do it yourself.
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I'm not a vet, but as a nurse, I know that low protein will cause edema, hair loss, slow healing processes. I'd ask for a blood count, if not already done, to rule out infection/cellulitis, and however they check protein in horses, humans we get an albumin, prealbumin, and protein level. Maybe even some liver enzymes, see if something wrong with liver. But, then again..... I'm a human nurse, not a vet or vet-tech, and I have not stayed at a Holiday-Inn Express, so I don't know it all! lol

ETA: Liver problems, can cause ascites, which makes the big belly...wormy look
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