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post #11 of 18 Old 01-22-2012, 04:22 PM Thread Starter
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Thanks Joe I appreciate your input :), I am trying to stay away from course mixes as they have a really high sugar content and the pony is barefoot. I'd prefer to keep her that way as she has really good feet naturally. I've not been able to find any mix that isn't high in sugar or has molasses in it even though in the past I've preferred to feed it.

I'm looking into safe choice which was mentioned earlier although I am tempted to stop feeding her any cubes/chaff of any kind now until next winter and just upping her hay. I don't mind soaking it prior to using it and I'll be doing that with her hi fi cubes from now on.

She seemed fine earlier when I just gave her a little hay to nibble on and I stayed with her until she'd finished. I am going to get on the phone first thing in the morning and do what I can to get the equine dentist out asap even if I have to bribe her! lol
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My gelding was 'diagnosed' with chronic, recurring choke by my vet. He's choked on me so many times that I no longer panic (and that's pretty bad...)...

I was told to start simply wetting the feed until it's a soup-like, then feeding... which I do a lot of the time. However, I've also found that if the feed is pellets, and very crumbly/soft, then he doesn't choke... but if the pellets are hard or if it's not in pelleted form, then he chokes.

I've found that alfalfa pellets work well with my boy, though I sometimes soak them just to be on the safe side, as they can be fairly hard... and all stock pellets are softer and easier to 'dissolve'...
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My gelding was 'diagnosed' with chronic, recurring choke by my vet. He's choked on me so many times that I no longer panic (and that's pretty bad...)...

I was told to start simply wetting the feed until it's a soup-like, then feeding... which I do a lot of the time. However, I've also found that if the feed is pellets, and very crumbly/soft, then he doesn't choke... but if the pellets are hard or if it's not in pelleted form, then he chokes.

I've found that alfalfa pellets work well with my boy, though I sometimes soak them just to be on the safe side, as they can be fairly hard... and all stock pellets are softer and easier to 'dissolve'...
Do you call the vet out every time? I didn't the first couple of times because she literally dislodged it in seconds, it's likely that most people would not even have noticed or thought they were just swallowing hard...
this time though I'd say it was a mild/medium type choke and she did have discharge from nose and obviously mouth. I'm really fussy about watching them when they eat and always stay with them, even though the first time I'd experienced choke was over 15 years ago. I can still play the video of that in my head!

so many different feeds to choose from.. I really do prefer a course mix but am avoiding them due to the sugar/molasses. So now it's a toss up between alfalfa and the safe choice. But am trying to hold off until I get time to get a really good look at the ingredients and speak to the equine dentist.

I guess I am still freaking out a bit emotionally. lol.. So it's really nice to speak to you guys and hear what you have to say. Trust me it's all being taken on board and I will make my decisions with those experiences in mind. :)
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post #14 of 18 Old 01-22-2012, 07:40 PM
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Get a powdered supplement meant for pasture only horses. Use only enough of the textured feed to get the supplements down. Other than that grass and hay.
Seriously go back and read your own posts, this is what I get.

"my horse chokes on pelleted food"
"my horse doesnt choke when I dont give it pelleted food."
Dont give it pelleted food.
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Do you call the vet out every time? I didn't the first couple of times because she literally dislodged it in seconds, it's likely that most people would not even have noticed or thought they were just swallowing hard...
this time though I'd say it was a mild/medium type choke and she did have discharge from nose and obviously mouth. I'm really fussy about watching them when they eat and always stay with them, even though the first time I'd experienced choke was over 15 years ago. I can still play the video of that in my head!

so many different feeds to choose from.. I really do prefer a course mix but am avoiding them due to the sugar/molasses. So now it's a toss up between alfalfa and the safe choice. But am trying to hold off until I get time to get a really good look at the ingredients and speak to the equine dentist.

I guess I am still freaking out a bit emotionally. lol.. So it's really nice to speak to you guys and hear what you have to say. Trust me it's all being taken on board and I will make my decisions with those experiences in mind. :)

No, I don't call the vet out hardly at all for choke. I have spoken to him via phone several times about choke, and have had him out a few times, but I rarely get him out when Dakota chokes.

Last time the vet was out and heckd my boy over, he examined his throat and said that there was a bit of scar tissue from choke episodes, but that he wouldn't reccomend a sugical fix, because that could cause even more scar tissue, and as long as it is manageable by soaking feed or softer feeds, then he wouldn't bother with a surgical fix.

I, and the rest of the forum family, don't blame you for freaking out. We prolly all know exactly how scary choke can be!
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post #16 of 18 Old 01-22-2012, 08:22 PM Thread Starter
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Get a powdered supplement meant for pasture only horses. Use only enough of the textured feed to get the supplements down. Other than that grass and hay.
Seriously go back and read your own posts, this is what I get.

"my horse chokes on pelleted food"
"my horse doesnt choke when I dont give it pelleted food."
Dont give it pelleted food.
Hi Joe, this is what I actually said; I'm grasping at straws here but it seems every time I add the safe and sound to her feed she seems to develop choke. So I am removing that completely and will be thoroughly soaking the hi fi from now on to a nice slurry.
I am not sure you understand what Safe and sound is, it's not pelleted food, it's a long chop chaff with a few scattered pellets in it. As you can see, I said she didn't choke on the hay or hi fi cubes when I fed those, it was only when I added the safe and sound.

Thanks I'll also check out a few powdered supplements :)
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post #17 of 18 Old 01-22-2012, 08:38 PM Thread Starter
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No, I don't call the vet out hardly at all for choke. I have spoken to him via phone several times about choke, and have had him out a few times, but I rarely get him out when Dakota chokes.

Last time the vet was out and heckd my boy over, he examined his throat and said that there was a bit of scar tissue from choke episodes, but that he wouldn't reccomend a sugical fix, because that could cause even more scar tissue, and as long as it is manageable by soaking feed or softer feeds, then he wouldn't bother with a surgical fix.

I, and the rest of the forum family, don't blame you for freaking out. We prolly all know exactly how scary choke can be!
I think I am just worried as she is still a baby and I am wanting to give her the best start in life and now I feel like I've messed it up for her. I just pray she doesn't end up with any scarring and it will heal well.
I am happy to hear that your horse does well even with the scarring in his throat. That gives me a lot of hope for the future for this little lady.

Thank you for your support, it's very much appreciated. It's good to know that you have been/going through the same thing and gotten through it so well.

I am concerned I guess that the vet didn't give her any antibiotics or do the tubing as that seems to be the norm on most of the articles I read on choke.
He did listen to her chest, so maybe he thought she was fine.
So I will play the waiting game and if anything seems off at all with her, the vet will be making a swift return before he's due out in a fortnight.

Many many thanks to all who responded.
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update.

Dentist was out and pulled out 2 wolf teeth and 3 baby teeth. She's gummy at the front as her two front teeth are gone and not grown in yet. lol. (you can just see the buds of the new teeth)
She took off some hooks and floated them.

When I said about her choking she asked me immediately if I fed chaff and I said yes but not any more because of what happened and she said she's heard that so many times, so to feed a soft chaff in future if I am going to. She suggested mollichaff.

I am having the vet out in a fortnight about her blocked tear duct (he told me to leave this a couple of weeks to see if it cleared on it's own!) and am going to ask him about just giving her ad lib hay next year instead of any type of hard feed. She's a native breed being connemara so I think she may be okay to just feed hay to, if not I'll be checking out safe choice and asking the vet about it as well.

I've ordered two half bale slow feed hay nets as there are 4 other donkeys in the field so that she can only eat her hay very slowly and they won't have to fight over it (I usually just left out several piles spaced well apart), although she doesn't gobble that anyway. And will be placing them in large tractor tyres so she can nibble away.

She seems okay so far, no temp or snotty nose so fingers crossed she'll be just fine. :)

Thanks for all your support. I will mention supplements to the vet and see what he recommends and her feed will be soup till the spring!
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