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post #1 of 5 Old 02-24-2020, 02:38 PM Thread Starter
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Hindgut Ulcers

Recently took ownership of a 16 year old gelding (Andalusian cross?) who was somewhat neglected by his ill owner. He was fed a flake of bermuda grass AM and PM, groomed occasionally, but never taken out to get proper exercise for about 5 years. Since I have taken ownership in December, we've been working on basic groundwork and easy round pinning. I've been riding him lightly in an arena and he has been responding well to the changes in his exercise.

I tried to slowly introduce soaked Purina Senior to his diet with the grass, as I knew he needed more nutrients and didn't want him to start losing weight. Just the other day, he started showing signs of colic and dehydration. So the vet gave him 10cc of banamine, tranq'ed him, oiled him through the tube up his nose, followed by a flush of electrolytes. After the oil passed through him, I have since seen nice healthy poops.

When trying to determine the likely cause of the colic, we tested him for ulcers. Turns out he has pretty sever hind gut Ulcers. The vet gave me the Succeed supplement/medication for ulcers and told me he shouldn't be on bermuda - hard to digest.

Currently, I am mixing a small amount of bermuda with orchard hay to eventually get him on 1 flake orchard AM and 1 flake alfalfa PM, as directed by my vet. He won't really touch the bermuda anymore. Along with the scoop of Succeed twice a day on the forage. He also recommended letting him graze green grass to get him some fiber.

Does anyone have any insight, recommendations, etc? He is in good spirits, not dull and depressed like he was when he was mildly colic-ing. I have been walking him on lead and letting him graze a little and turning him out in a large arena but not forcing any exercise at the moment. I just don't want to get him under saddle until I know he is comfortable. Is that not until I know the ulcers have improved or healed? Also, when he trots, he almost always has that hollow movement sound in his stomach.

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Ulcers are a common problem in horses from what I have read on line. We have had many horses over the years and if any had ulcers we never knew it. Now I have a 2 1/2 yo filly and ( she's babied ) she started getting a little cinchy and touchy in her flanks. She also quit eating her Purina Strategy gx that she had always liked so, I changed feed and she ate it. I was talking to a friend who is a trainer at a big arena here and was telling her about it and she said "Your horse has ulcers". Wow, could have knocked me down. The last thing I would have thought of was ulcers. Sure enough the vet said the same thing. She was put on Omeprazole , double dose for the first month and then Ugard for the next month. She is doing fine now. Since she is close to being finished I think I'm going to put her on Outlast as a maintenance program till late spring. Her feed program has been 1 3/4# of Strategy twice a day and free access to brome hay 24/7 and free access to a 7 acre pasture with another horse (never stalled). I've learned a lot on the internet about ulcers, including that 70% +/- of all horses develop them. I believe that some horses are just prone to them but, there are things that will prevent them from getting them.
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1. Omeprazole will not work on hind gut ulcers.

Keep the horse on Succeed, as long as you continue to see improvement.

2. Something else that is common in older geldings (then stallions, mares occasionally) are lipomas.

2.1. The horse love of my life developed hind gut ulcers and lipomas. I kept him on Succeed 2-1/2 years. It stopped his colics until he was 27 and the hanging lipomas did their final damage.

3. Egusin is another all natural product you might keep in mind. Succeed did not work on a current horse with gastric ulcers but the full treatment of Egusin worked. He has not had an ulcer issue since I finished the treatment protocol last October.

Egusin

4. My horses are easy keepers, one is insulin resistant. I havenít fed any sort of grain OR SOY since 2007.

I feed HorseTechís condensed (soy-free) vit/min supplement for grass fed horses. I mix it and other needed supplements into one cup of Timothy pellets twice daily.

Hay is locally grown orchard/mix. A quality grass/mix should work if you can find first cut. First cut is always less stemmy.

4.1. Another member on this forum recently mentioned this bagged hay by Green Meadows that might be something to consider.

Their Equal Balance product is good for horses that need low NSC but they have other products that may be better suited for your horse.

https://greenmeadowsforage.com/equine.html

5. You could consider also adding some extra Vitamin E to boost the immune system. I buy that from HorseTech, as well:)

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The bottom line is that less is more for a horse with hind gut ulcers and still keep them healthy/vibrant:)
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I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
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post #4 of 5 Old 02-24-2020, 04:45 PM Thread Starter
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Thank you!

@walkinthewalk - do you think the diet my vet suggested is a good fit? Along with the succeed? Are you able to continue to ride horsed with hind gut ulcers?
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Thank you!

@walkinthewalk - do you think the diet my vet suggested is a good fit? Along with the succeed? Are you able to continue to ride horsed with hind gut ulcers?
The vetís diet should work, as long as the horse doesnít develop metabolic issues - something else that comes along in the mid-teens, early 20ís. Then too much grass may become an issue:(

I donít know about continuing to ride. By the time my horse was diagnosed, I had long before had to stop riding.

I would think only very mild, light riding that isnít stressful might be ok; at least until the ulcers are deemed healed:)

If the horse enjoys being out of the arena, maybe some light trail riding so he can ďsmell the rosesĒ :)

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I CAN'T ride 'em n slide 'em. I HAVE to lead 'em n feed 'em Thnx cowchick77.
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