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post #21 of 25 Old 11-16-2013, 08:43 AM
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this began happening to an older bout 30 yr old TB at our barn. Just passed out twice while riding, he would just bounce right back, She had the vet out and of course stopped riding him. It was seizures and he was just turned out with his buddies in a field for older horses. He began to pass out more and more often, he was also almost blind and was humanly euthanized just last month which was the right thing to do before winter sets in and because of the increased frequency. I am sorry this is happening to this horse, it is so hard when things like this happen, but he had a great life and was well taken care of, lots of memories with the old boy Im sure Please do keep us informed.
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post #22 of 25 Old 11-16-2013, 10:40 AM Thread Starter
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I talked to owner, who isn't actually his owner per day. The owner I've referred to in my past posts is actually the mother of Dancer's "real" owner, but the mother has cared for and used the horse for the past few years without any interference from the daughter.

The mother doesn't want to take him to the vet. She says it will be expensive and they may not be able to find anything without a ton of tests. I'm on the side that it's a heart problem, because, as Cinny quoted: "Severe cardiac disease may result in collapse of an animal at rest, but more frequently it occurs during exercise. Animals which collapse due to a sudden fall in cardiac output may show no signs of motion when on the ground and in effect show flaccid paralysis. This often lasts only a few seconds."

That was exactly what looked like happened.

It's now the daughter's call. The sort of deal between the mother and daughter is that Dancer stays at the barn, free board, as long as he is used for the lesson program. Dancer is a hard keeper and needs extensive joint supplements to keep comfortable, so the mother doesn't want to spend all this time and money on a horse who is no longer earning his keep. Winter is approaching. Without special care, Dancer cannot comfortably make it through the winter.

I can't make any calls in this situation. I don't know what call I would make if I did have a say.
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post #23 of 25 Old 11-16-2013, 10:48 AM
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It sounds like it may be time for Dancer to move on to a barn better suited to retirement.

I personally find it sad that the mother won't go the extra mile for a horse that has served her daughter so well for years and years. People should be more considerate about senior horses.
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post #24 of 25 Old 11-16-2013, 11:36 PM
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I personally find it sad that the mother won't go the extra mile for a horse that has served her daughter so well for years and years. People should be more considerate about senior horses.
While it is easy to say this, the reality is that running any kind of horse business and deriving your living from it is very difficult at best. No one 'wants' to put down horses that are no longer 'useful'. But, every single horse business has to support its owners, employees and 'needed' horses FIRST. It is just the reality of being able to stay in business and to put food on YOUR table and feed YOUR family.

I have always derived my living from horses. It is all I have ever done and all I know. It has become increasingly more difficult as my severe arthritis has limited my riding ability. My riding and training ability is what has kept food on my table (and several other persons' tables) for over 50 years.

I currently have 4 horses on 'pension' -- totally useless but served me well for many years. Three I raised and one I've had since she was 3. Thankfully, I am still able to do this. It is getting more and more difficult for me. If I get to the point where it is no longer possible, they have to go, probably along with 3 or 4 more that really do not 'pay for their keep' any more.

If it come to that point, it is a choice between keeping the quality of life high for 3 or 4 useless horses and being able to keep and feed the 40 others that I have.

These older horses do not include the 10 or 12 mares that I have kept since 2008 without breeding until last year. These are mares that I refused to send to the sales because I knew the only bidders on these good, big, fat, pretty registered mares would send them to Mexico. Hopefully, I can sell some of them in the near future to people that want to produce that kind of saddle horses.

So, I do not condemn anyone that does not want to keep and feed and care for a useless horse. I think they are livestock -- no matter how much we like some individual horses. I think no one should have their property rights taken away from them or told they MUST feed and care for a useless horse nor thought less of because they do not want to keep one.

In this case, it is now up to the daughter -- the horse's actual owner. She should bear the cost of proper upkeep or have the horse put down. The mother has done everything she can and should do under the circumstances.

And I agree that it is not 'worth' an expensive Vet bill, which would have to include a very expensive evaluation and lab work-up. In this case, I cannot think of a single reason doing this for this horse would 'fix' anything that can be corrected by Veterinary intervention at this point. Finding the cause is only an expensive way to satisfy curiosity. There is not one single thing that would add to this horse's health, comfort or usefulness coming from spending $1000.00 or maybe more and then adding a Vet fee to euthanize him when he got worse. I am sorry to say, the consequences of old age in an equine are not reversible. Everyone just has to make that decision for themselves at what point they have to stop putting money in a hopeless money pit that is miserable on top of being useless.
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post #25 of 25 Old 11-17-2013, 12:07 AM
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It is up to do what is best for the horse, and for the owners. They are considering the horses well being, since they could easily cut out his supplements and feed him the basic feed and not take care of his needs. It sounds like the horse is loved even if the owner(s) aren't super involved. I think considering euthanasia after a single episode is a little..rushed, but honestly there are young healthy usable horses put down for minor issues because the owners cannot for whatever reason deal with it, and it is a lot better than letting the horse suffer and not get treatment, then run out of money and neglect the animal. I hope they at least hold out and see if this is a recurring issue and maybe consider other options first, but if they do vote for euthanasia I think they are trying to do the right thing both for the horse and for everyone involved.

I found out that a very loved horse I took lessons on was put down. He was severely arthritic and once down could not get up, after physically lifting him up multiple times, including in the pasture, and with winter approaching they made the decision to euthanize. He pranced out to the spot all bright eyed and eager.. Sad yes, but if anything could of been done to improve his condition while maintaining quality of life it would of been done. He was very loved and passed away at ~30. "Best thing to do" means different things to different people, but sometimes you have to do what you need to for everyone.

As far as a heart issue is concerned. I had an extremely healthy 24 year old QH gelding who was looking fantastic, hanging out in the shade on a nice morning- all of a sudden he started staggering around like he was drunk, almost frantically. He smashed into the side of the barn and knocked it off the foundation a good foot. His gums were BLUE. Within a minute or two he dropped dead. The vet said it sounded like his heart gave out/burst/something. While this was a one time, and final, event I find it odd if he had a chronic condition that there would be NO warnings or other symptoms.. weakness? wobbly-ness? even super slight? Is he acting completely normal? I would do a complete check up of vitals. Honestly if I were you I would call your own vet and at least talk, just to get an idea (and the owners should do the same even if they chose to not have the vet out.)
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