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Interesting Article About Horses With Cushing's (PPID)

Does Equine PPID Affect Immune Responses to Vaccination? | TheHorse.com
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Interesting - its something that I know has been considered from the perspective of these horses being able or not as able to deal with actual infections but not sure if any research has been done.
I've got a horse with Cushing's and fairly certain that some I've owned in the past had it and they all had vaccinations with no ill effects but I do have a friend who has a pony with Cushing's and she's had to stop the flu vaccine as it was having pretty bad side effects on her

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Interesting - its something that I know has been considered from the perspective of these horses being able or not as able to deal with actual infections but not sure if any research has been done.
I've got a horse with Cushing's and fairly certain that some I've owned in the past had it and they all had vaccinations with no ill effects but I do have a friend who has a pony with Cushing's and she's had to stop the flu vaccine as it was having pretty bad side effects on her
Interesting. I have never had an old horse with or without Cushing's have an issue with vaccines. I do have an entire family line that will do fine with Vetera vaccines but Fort Dodge causes immediate and huge site reactions. They're all fairly young (no one over 15 years) and have had the site reactions for several years before I was able to get the Vetera line.

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We're going to get Jazzy tested for IR and Cushing's because she's showing some slight symptoms like those raised odd fat deposits in a few places even though she isn't overweight and she's looked like she was a bit laminitic once or twice for no reason so I'd at least rule those things out - but interestingly she had a site reaction to her normal vaccines this year for the first time ever. None of the other horses did, all done the same day, same vaccines. She stands solid for vaccines and the vaccine sites were all cleaned immediately prior to being done.

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We're going to get Jazzy tested for IR and Cushing's because she's showing some slight symptoms like those raised odd fat deposits in a few places even though she isn't overweight and she's looked like she was a bit laminitic once or twice for no reason so I'd at least rule those things out - but interestingly she had a site reaction to her normal vaccines this year for the first time ever. None of the other horses did, all done the same day, same vaccines. She stands solid for vaccines and the vaccine sites were all cleaned immediately prior to being done.
That sounds like the mare and foals that I have that react to the Ft. Dodge vaccines. The mare especially would get really dramatic reactions, no difficulty breathing or anything, just swell at the site and look pitiful. Soon as I switched to Vetera vaccines, the change in adjuvant made all the difference in the world. She hasn't had a reaction since and it's been several years. I now buy all of their vaccines and just stick with them. Beats getting a site reaction that turns septic and abscesses.
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Thanks for sharing Dreamcatcher. Haven't read yet, so can't comment on article. But re 'side effects' of vaccination, they can include some pretty nasty chemicals in vaccines(thimerosal, formalin, for eg), not to mention the diseases themselves - this is especially so for combo vaccines - like 'triple antigens' for humans. Not sure if they do that for horses, as aside from 10-yearly tetanus & strangles when they're young, it's not common for Aussies to vaccinate horses.

**FYI, I am NOT anti-vacc. Long story short(I'll try!), I knew there were side effects, so I started researching when I first got pregnant, in order to learn how I could counter those side effects in my baby when she was immunised. It was a very frustrating subject to study, because while there was HEAPS of info to be had, there was precious little *objective & unbiased* research/evidence. It seemed like there were the 'hippies'(nothing against hippies, just way to explain!) on one side, saying all vaccines and docs who proscribed them were evil, and the 'rednecks' on the other side saying any & all claims from 'hippies' were idiotic & totally unfounded. In addition, most people on either side that I asked(naturopaths, doctors for eg) would basically fob me off as a complete idiot for even asking the questions! I did find some good info though, and even some open minded medical doctors to help me learn better. I ended up not vaccinating my babies at all, until they were about 3yo, when they had most of the usual ones... one at a time.
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Thanks for sharing Dreamcatcher. Haven't read yet, so can't comment on article. But re 'side effects' of vaccination, they can include some pretty nasty chemicals in vaccines(thimerosal, formalin, for eg), not to mention the diseases themselves - this is especially so for combo vaccines - like 'triple antigens' for humans. Not sure if they do that for horses, as aside from 10-yearly tetanus & strangles when they're young, it's not common for Aussies to vaccinate horses.

**FYI, I am NOT anti-vacc. Long story short(I'll try!), I knew there were side effects, so I started researching when I first got pregnant, in order to learn how I could counter those side effects in my baby when she was immunised. It was a very frustrating subject to study, because while there was HEAPS of info to be had, there was precious little *objective & unbiased* research/evidence. It seemed like there were the 'hippies'(nothing against hippies, just way to explain!) on one side, saying all vaccines and docs who proscribed them were evil, and the 'rednecks' on the other side saying any & all claims from 'hippies' were idiotic & totally unfounded. In addition, most people on either side that I asked(naturopaths, doctors for eg) would basically fob me off as a complete idiot for even asking the questions! I did find some good info though, and even some open minded medical doctors to help me learn better. I ended up not vaccinating my babies at all, until they were about 3yo, when they had most of the usual ones... one at a time.
Most of the site reactions I've seen in horses were based on whatever was in the adjuvant in the vaccine. The Vetera vaccines are produced with an adjuvant that reduces site reactions significantly and they process their vaccines to filter out extraneous stuff found in others. I've been very satisfied since I started using their vaccines on my herd. I live in an area where rabies are endemic, it's called the West Nile Corridor, and we have several major horse shows every year, so LOTS of exposure to transient animals. We also do a lot of trail riding in state parks, so I vaccinate yearly.
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