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post #1 of 11 Old 01-30-2020, 10:46 AM Thread Starter
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long term pain management

my 35 year old is just starting to get bothers by arthritis. normally putting the ground control shoes on him (they are soft so extra cushion) or being on previcox helped him alot. he is also due for a chiro viset. i recently learnt about feed in aspirin and i have little experience with buteless. he is still ridable and works out of it mostly and still jumps, bucks runs plays. he acts like a 10 year old still. he just gimps for about 20 min and every now and then he dose not fully work out of it (unless in the shoes or on previcox). herd that long term use on the privacox is not particularly good for their hind gut and i just finally got him borderline fat so i dont want to cause digestive issues. what would you all recommend? he is going back in the ground controls i just need to order him a new pair. so that majorly helps. if privacox is the way to go then ill keep him on that. just looking at other options as well. he is the only really ridable horse i have out of 4 so id like to keep him happy as long as possible.
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Some folks swear by long term use of Previcox, I do not. My IR horse developed ulcers, over his short, long term period of use - two months.

He is. Ow IR/Cushings. I havenít asked the vet but I think Iím now up the creek using Previcox. It that he is on Prascend. I havenít found any credible articles one or the other yet.

1. Whatever you settle on, be sure it has credible scientific backing and/or enough anecdotal comments from credible people that you know it stands a chance of helping.

1.1 FWIW, all the vetís in my area will do injections for arthritis, but none of them will do my horses. It could be that both are mid-20ís Tennessee Walkers who are known to have or develop drug sensitivities.

One is also IR/Cushings, therefore on Prascend.

2. The IR/Cushings horse also has a fractured sacrum that he re-fractured in March, 2019 and I thought I might lose him. Today, thanks to a chiro and therapeutic farrier, he can buck up a little bit when decides to show me how good he feels leaving the barn:)

2.1. What works for him, which nothing cheap is going to work is Cosequin ASU+ (Plus).

It works great on him but it gives my 26 yr old with diagnosed dry hocks the runny bums. I have him in pure MSM and liquid Lubrisyn HA. No runny bums and it seems to help as his stall is not churned up anymore, from having issues getting up.

3. Far as hind gut or foregut: Succeed has worked on two of my horses in the past. One was on it 2-1/2 years.

It did not work for my IR/Cushings horse, but Egusin did. I put him on the recommended program, then kept him on the second phase an extra 21 days. That was late last summer and he is still doing great. Egusin is not supposed to be used long term.

Neither Succeed nor Egusin are prescription but again, they work and they arenít cheap.

Hope this helps:)

Best wishes and hugs to your fella:):)
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What about Equioxx? a NSAID that supposedly does not cause stomach problems. The lameness vet who saw Moonshine said that at a certain point she might need it on an ongoing basis (she's doing fine with just injections right now) for her arthritis. He assured me that it was not known to cause stomach problems.

Or is that the same as Previcox?

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Buteless and long term use of aspirin can cause anemia in a horse as well as gut issues. Have you considered Osphos? At 35 he may have some bone on bone issues but I am not sure if he would be a candidate for injections. We have used MSM for all of our horses for years with no issues. Does it help? I am not so sure.
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What about Equioxx? a NSAID that supposedly does not cause stomach problems. The lameness vet who saw Moonshine said that at a certain point she might need it on an ongoing basis (she's doing fine with just injections right now) for her arthritis. He assured me that it was not known to cause stomach problems.

Or is that the same as Previcox?
Equioxx is the same as previcox.



Make sure you aren't stacking NSAIDs. That includes 'natural' products. Iirc, buteless is still a nsaid.

Previcox is the safest long term nsaid currently available, but there is still a chance of gastric ulcers as it still has a small effect on the cox2 pathways, just significantly smaller than nonspecific Cox inhibitors. My horse developed ulcers after 4-5 months of daily previcox. I'm going to try again with a different dosing schedule once the ulcers are cleared up.

Another option is IM injectables. Things like adequan and pentosan can make a big difference if they fill that need. Some will see no effect because they don't address the part the horse needs.

As far as feed through, cosaquin AU is the only one i know of with actual research behind it to prove the efficacy. I'm interested in trying it but I'm poor.
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As far as feed through, cosaquin AU is the only one i know of with actual research behind it to prove the efficacy. I'm interested in trying it but I'm poor.
I think most of us are. Nobody that owns at least one horse can afford to shop at Nieman-Marcus.

I am retired and the truth of the matter is that my hypertensive husband chooses to still work full time. If he didnít, I would not be able to spend my entire retirement money on my two horses. I would have had to lay my IR horse to rest long ago, because I sure wouldnít send him down the road to a worse fate.

Iím thankful I am still reasonably healthy thus still fairly low maintenance. Even so, it Can still be tough to keep up:)

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I think I would consider an injectable like Pentosan over oral pain meds or if you know which joint, you could do joint injections.

Previcox did not help my old mare. She's on naproxen every other day. But she has so much arthritis, injectable meds wouldn't help. It's not easy on the stomach, but it's that or euthanasia. It does seem to be helping. She's been more active on it, cantering around and cheerful.

Previcox is probably the safest pain medication. I'm just not certain it is as effective as naproxen.
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My gelding has been on daily Previcox/Equioxx for about a year. He has not had issues with ulcers and it seems to help him a lot. However, he does not take it for arthritis, but for inflammation that occurs when his stifles slip at times. He does have grazing and/or hay 24/7, so that may make the difference with ulcer prevention.

My mare has arthritis, but I don't give her the Previcox. Instead I give her Trifecta vitamins which have 5,000 mg of MSM, 5,000 mg of Glucosamine and 100 mg of Hyaluronic Acid per dose. It does seem to make a difference for her, along with 24/7 turnout to keep her loosened up and moving.
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Thank you guys! the old guy was on Previcox for 2 years no issue. just was reading long term use could cause the intestinal walls to thicken of something to that effect. if its the safest i may just stick to it. i could not tell you what joint it is. possibly somewhere in the fetlock?maybe higher i honestly dont know. last x rays he got he looked more like a 16 year old horse than a horse in his 30s so not positive how far up it is. the ground controls help because they are soft (like WOUNDERFULL shoe inserts for us people who like to hurt alot). i can talk to the vet about injections though none of my vets seam particularly keen on that with old horses. Osphos is also a good idea. i did not even think of that... though i where a Osphos hat daily XD! this was his most recent x ray. you can see some bony changed but nothing crazy. he could also use a chiro.

I have not tried the asprin and such. my thinking was the ease of picking it up with feed but if its not as strong as previcox and can cause anemia i may just stick with what works. would it be worth doing some neighlox in his feed as well? he has been on mush for the past 7 years and has not had a issue i could note. he dose take 4 to 5 hours to eat said mush so its almost like grazing lol. but i am honestly supersized he has not shown signs of ulcers with being on a oatmeal consistency diet.
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WELL mr picky REFUSES to eat his food AT ALL if it has ANYTHING in it... vinegar fine. oil. fine. Red cell? Fine. BUT GOD FORBID YOU GIVE HIM ASPIRIN OT BUTE EVER! ugh. so looks like Previcox it is since its the only thing i can get past him. he will even be a hot or miss with MSM because why not... in other news my arab is feeling fantastic! she cont understand why she is getting this extra food XD.
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