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post #21 of 32 Old 07-22-2011, 03:26 PM Thread Starter
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For those of you not aware feeding the chemical dewormers can also affect your dogs liver if it eats manure.
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Yes commercial dewormers are chemicals but they have been extensively tested & have a broad margin of error for use, except Quest for which you need an accurate weight. Personally I wouldn't use DE any more than I would use tobacco for deworming (another old time theory).
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For those of you not aware feeding the chemical dewormers can also affect your dogs liver if it eats manure.
Or if the horse spit some on ground and they lick it. I believe Ivermectin causes some dogs go blind (at least people on my local forum claimed it happened). That's why I never deworm next to the house...




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Or if the horse spit some on ground and they lick it. I believe Ivermectin causes some dogs go blind (at least people on my local forum claimed it happened). That's why I never deworm next to the house...
Heartworm medication is Ivermectin
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Heartworm medication is Ivermectin
I have to dig out that post (if I will). I'm 100% sure it was claimed to be a dewormer. Ivermectin was more like my guess.




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OK. Here we go... The response (see story below)...

Glad to hear that Cowgirl is recovering. Ivermectin toxicity can be quite scary. Certain breeds of dogs carry a mutation in the multidrug resistance (MDR-1) gene that causes the sensitivity to ivermectin. Basically it allows ivermectin to cross the blood brain barrier and enter the brain where it’s not supposed to be. The most common breeds to have the mutation are Collies followed by Australian Sheperds. Here’s a link to the complete list of dog breeds. Breeds of dogs affected with the mutant MDR1 gene. Information from the VCPL at Washington State University. Dogs can be affected by any avermectin (ivermectin, moxidectin, milbemycin etc).
Heartworm preventatives have low levels of avermectins and are tested in dogs that have the MDR 1 mutation before the FDA approves them for use. They must be safe in these dogs because you cannot tell by just looking at any dog if they have the mutation or not. For example Heartgard has 8 mcg/kg ivermectin. The amount needed to show clinical signs is 120 mcg/kg. For treating mites, you need to give over 200 mcg/kg. Most vets start at a low dose and slowly increase the dose to make sure the dog is not showing any signs. Normal dogs can handle large amounts of ivermectin without any problems.
When deworming your horses, clean up anything you drop or that your horse spits out. Ivermectin passes very quickly through the GI tract so the largest amounts will be pooped out in the first couple of days.

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I came Wednesday and let the dogs out like I usually do… within 10 minutes I looked out and saw that Cowgirl ( my Australian Sheperd) was acting strange, at first I thought that she was having a seizure, then my grandson said something about her eyes being big. Her eyes were dilated and her pupils were huge. I called the new vet in Littlestown and ran her up there… before I got there I realized, oh my god, she’s blind, she can’t see !! She had no response to light in her eyes at all. They called and got me an appointment with a canine ophthalmologist in Annapolis Thursday. I’d been ready on the internet and afraid its “Sudden Acquired Retinal Degeneration Syndrome” or “SARDS” … irreversible and sudden blindness… it strikes about 4,000 dogs a year.

It was so sad to see her, so confused and scared. She was fine in the morning and by evening she couldn’t see and couldn’t find her way around, so sad to see. I figured…She’s and Aussie though and she’s smart so she will adapt, I know she will, will just take some extra care… of all times for the underground fencing to not be working.

Spent most of the day Thursday either at or on my way to the vets, had to take Cowgirl to Annapolis to a specialist. She doesn’t think it is SARDS, She was better today and seemed to be able to find her way around, the pupils were almost normal and responding to light. The vet said she’s never seen a dog with SARDS that improves, they always go immediately blind or get progressively worse within a week, never better. She’s still unsteady on her feet and having some moments of confusion. The vet thinks that its possibly temporary blindness as a result of a seizure or that she ingested ivermectin.. I wormed the horses this past Monday and I’m always really careful to not drop any or if the horses spit any out I rub it into the dirt. She said they can ingest enough through eating the horse poop… my dogs think that horse poop is gourmet brownies, they love it. Any of the herding breeds are ivermectin sensitive.

Friday---She continues to get better today, still not totally normal but improving every day… It’s been really upsetting… so just a word of warning…If you have any of the herding breeds be really careful when worming your horses, it can be deadly to them.




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Holy cow. Thanks for sharing that story. One of my dogs is a mixed cattle dog. Luckily he's not a poop eater like my Beagle but I will be sure to extra careful. Thanks again.
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Holy cow. Thanks for sharing that story. One of my dogs is a mixed cattle dog. Luckily he's not a poop eater like my Beagle but I will be sure to extra careful. Thanks again.
You are very welcome!

After reading this story while back I don't mess with dewormers at home anymore: go to the field and open there (and everything go to closed trash right after).




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There is a local research facility that does a lot of testing for new pharmasuticals. They just did a big test on a new lungworm medicine in cattle. They will use dm as a control on new wormers - ask about its effectiveness - get a good horselaugh. But I am sure that the mining company for dm appreciates your buisness.
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