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post #1 of 39 Old 12-31-2019, 02:33 AM Thread Starter
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Groan! Would you give the guy a chance, or just take the horse back?? Here's the story...

I thought I'd found such a good lease home for one of ours a year ago. Older guy, just wanted a companion for his horse, but one that the beginner wife & grand kids could ride occasionally too. Experienced, said all the right things, wasn't phased when I said horse was IR & would need his diet managed. I said I could do his hooves when possible, but the(in writing) arrangement was that he should not rely on that either, that he should have his feet done at least 6 weekly.

So... Visited a few times, in the first months after I first took him up, all good. Visited last & did his feet about 8 months ago. Commented then that he was very fat & fed lucerne & the guy would need to stop feeding him that & get a grazing muzzle if he was to stay in the huge paddock...

Went to visit today... Jake doesn't have a crest as such - his entire neck is just huge & round & HARD! His wither... well, where it should be is over 5" wide! Most of his body is just round, like a beef bull, and hard! He has fat pads over the top of his spine in a few areas, and his tail head is in a crease about 1.5" deep!! And the wife spoke to me & said he hadn't had his feet done since I did them! They're all broken off around the fronts, due to 'sub clinical' lami having weakened them, long & flared elsewhere but thankfully not too terrible otherwise. His other horse is also very fat (STB) and hasn't had it's feet done either.

So.... happy new year! I hate confrontations, but going to have to talk to this guy & either give him a chance to intensively manage Jake to put him on a diet & do what else is needed, or take him back ASAP. Couldn't talk then as they had visitors.

And of course this has to be when I've already got too many horses & no grass left - haven't yet found an appropriate lease home for my pony since he came back to me and will have to start feeding very expensive(cos there's so little around & everywhere north is drought) hay full time, probably within a week or 2.
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Think I would be inclined to take him back. Being though hay is expensive hard to get. Maybe give the guy a chance to see ,if he won't do what's needed.

I'd give him two weeks if things don't change go pickup horse. Hopefully they do. If you think horse could founder then for sure take him back .

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So sorry to read this.
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Yeah, that was my thoughts Rambo - if it weren't for scarcity & expense of hay & that I'm not working ATM, I'd say I'd take him back immediately, then give the guy(depending what he has to say) another chance after I've got Jake healthy again. But bit nervous about being able to afford the horses I already have - why I parted with Jake & looking for a home for pony in the first place.

And finding it hard to place the pony - SOOO many horses going cheap thru sales these days, being farmers are going bust up north left right & centre, walking off their properties, shooting their stock, shooting themselves... Not to mention the country burning & me nervous about that too, can't fit more than 4(well, 3 legally) in the stock crate if I had to evacuate... Thought they'd be safe left here in case of fire but we have a narrowish block & at the widest, is under 200m from the forest, and they say killing radiant heat can be up to 300m...
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Given the hay shortage you are experiencing, I would have a real CTJ meeting with the guy and check back in 2-3 weeks.

If the horse hasn’t foundered by now, it is headed that way sooner than later. Is that yet another issue you want to deal with, if you take the horse back?

This is why I have tried to pound into DH’s head that “I intend to be your worst nightmare” if something happens to me ahead of my horses and he doesn’t PTS both of them. There are people who mean well but don’t have one iota of a clue as to what horse management means, especially if the horse has issues.

If there is no way in terms of financing the horse’s daily maintenance, plus whatever special needs may crop up, you are going to have to be hard core, turn your back to the whole issue, and not answer the tellie when the man calls crybaby whining that he doesn’t understand what happened (when the horse founders).
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Bad timing but CTJ meeting or not...

Trailer would arrive with me and that "discussion" would be taking place as the horse was loaded...
A ticking time-bomb his health is already compromised...
By your description the animal might not have a few more weeks of mismanaged care before he explodes and implodes forcing a needed euthanasia...
Yea, no guarantees you are going to get him right either so far pushed past the safety zone...
When basics of care for either of the guys animals not take place....hooves tended to and a managed diet.
No feet, no horse...add so fat the vital organs of the body struggle daily to operate.
Yea, no....take him home now and hopefully he has a chance under strict oversight and control he is being denied now.
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Give him notice that if the horse doesn't get on a diet NOW, and that you don't see improvement within the next couple of weeks (hooves done, active management of the issue by restricting access to food), you are removing him from the property. Put it in writing and give it to the guy in person while you have a conversation about the fact that this horse's life is now in danger. In the meantime, start planning to bring him home.
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My reasoning for my comment above, is based on the fact there’s a huge hay shortage and the fires of Hades are literally knocking at. @loosie ‘s door.

If you read loosie’s “on Australian Weather” thread, she is packed and ready to evacuate, except for figuring out what to do with her rare breed chickens.

How do you responsibly take on one more big responsibility under those circumstances? That’s why my reply was so hard core - she may have to give the stern lecture, then turn her back and hope for the best.

Her home, the lives of her family and current critters could already be hanging in the balance, with these fires. Add shortage of hay and money to that - I’m sorry but what is NOW under my care and keeping comes first.

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My two cents is, I would try to take the horse back. I get the terrible circumstances right now, but the way I see it, if you leave this horse with his current person, he WILL founder and he WILL suffer, possibly have to be PTS. Whereas if you take him back, you MIGHT be forced to evacuate but be unable to do so, and he MIGHT suffer and die.

In other words, looking at it objectively, there is a greater chance of him coming to harm if you leave him where he is. Even if you take him and then can't evacuate him (even if you just have to turn him loose and hope for the best), that may be better than what's about to happen to him where he is.

Regardless, my heart goes out to you, being in this situation. Neither choice is easy.
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post #10 of 39 Old 12-31-2019, 10:25 AM
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@loosie this is a tough one. I wish we could a horse or two here, to help you out.

Taking care of horses with serious health conditions is tough. IMO, this guy gave it a try, then over time realized how hard it was, and just let things slide. He may not be interested in changing...and a confrontation from you may just have him saying take the horse back. So you have to ask yourself, can you take the horse back at the current time??

Maybe need to wait just a bit before having that talk with him. At least until the fire situation is somewhat under control and your stress is reduced r/t evacuation.

The horse does sound like he is very unhealthy. It is sad, but hopefully he is not in too much pain.

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