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post #1 of 15 Old 06-21-2019, 04:03 PM Thread Starter
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Please help she might be having laminitis

VETS NEED YOUR HELP ASAP. SHE MIGHT BE HAVING LAMINITIS. this is a reference picture of our lovely endurance star horse ayimca. I dont own this horse and i am out of town so cant send pictures. its one of our stable’s horse.I know that it is a huge irresponsiblity to make things that bad but we cant get mad to people at this point i believe everyone took their lessons and sad. It all started in saturday. She won second place in 83km endurance competition but afterwards she was too tired to even move, drink and eat. She hadnt had enough exercise before the competition so she was not ready. And that almost caused for us to lose her. Her piss was dark yellow. Than i went out of town. But as they told me things got worse. We are in turkey and they asked all the turkish vets so she wont have laminitis but i want to ask it to you too. This is the things her owner said to me about the treatments they have done so far. “ we are not sure if its laminitis or not cause in the vet they couldnt check the blood values of her. It looks like begining of laminitis but it might be azoturia too. Her Hooves were hot but they slowly get much colder. We did lots of cold press. We went to river. We did mud box.we use ringers lactate solution everyday for 12 liters, histavet 10cc injection in every 12 hours, flumeglin 7cc in every 8 hours, 200ml bikarvil in every 4 liters of ringers lactate. Now her pee is much lighter and her hooves are much colder” if anything else they can do please recommend.
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post #2 of 15 Old 06-21-2019, 04:04 PM Thread Starter
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I am not a native speaker so if there are parts you couldnt understand feel free to ask me. Even if i dont own this horse i want to help her. They asked all the turkish vets but i wanted to use my english to see what they can do more
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Unfortunately this is a casual forum and you won't be able to get any professional advice here. Please take any answers you get with a grain of salt. First off, it sounds like she HAS seen vets in person, correct? If not that is vital. If you don't like how her vet is then a different vet is fine. I can't imagine there's no one around who can help you. It sounds like you said that she was not at all ready and was let down by her caretakers, I know this isn't your horse but I hope the owner's realize how serious this was and don't ever let it happen again.

That said, at this point it sounds like all the right things have been done. I haven't had to deal with something like that, but that is what I would expect treatment to be. If she did develop laminitis then it would be secondary, it doesn't sound like that is the case to me maybe her hooves were warm but it resolved quickly, was she walking ok? Could be she had some inflammation just from the overwork but the medications fixed that.. I would just keep on doing what you guys have been doing. I would give her a LOT of time off, and be very careful when you do go to work her again that she is happy and comfortable and shows no lasting ill effects.

If her feet are cool and she is walking well I would monitor but not be overly concerned about laminitis. I DO think it's very important that bloodwork is done, at a minimum. Sounds like she is on the mend, but bloodwork will be able to tell you that more clearly.

She's a lovely horse! Welcome to the forum, I hope that things turn out well for everyone!

@phantomhorse13 does a lot of high level endurance and may have some additional suggestions.
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post #4 of 15 Old 06-21-2019, 05:39 PM Thread Starter
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Yes she had seen vets. The competition held in our stable so i guess they couldnt give her much care. And we think that somebody may have sabotaged us too. Cause it was our winning horse and we found her water closed the next day. But i still believe that if they had exercised her well it wouldnt happen. But there is no time to anger. It seems like a starting of laminitis but we cant be sure because vets blood machine is broken?! I still cant understand how this is even possible but its a very small town and usually they dont care about horses in this country they just let them die.. i just cant let that happen to her.. thank you for your response @Yogiwick
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Could be this horse was tying up after the ride. Some of the symptoms sound the same.
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post #6 of 15 Old 06-21-2019, 06:00 PM
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I completely understand and it sounds like you guys are doing great with what you have to work with!

I think laminitis would have shown by now, if she seems ok at this point then I'd say she won't get any worse, in terms of laminitis. Also, while I do think a blood test is good (can you get another vet to check it?) it won't tell you if she has laminitis or not. I would keep her feet cold and keep on checking but I think you got lucky in that regard. Once she is doing better it won't hurt to do x-rays of her feet if that is an option to see how much damage was done (hopefully none!) but I think for now you just need to wait and see. Health wise too, do get that blood test but I think she mostly just needs time and attention.

I had a horse overridden once. Different situation, he has Cushings disease that we did not know about and my mother allowed some random person to take him out for a hard ride (still mad!!). So while it wasn't ok if he had been healthy there would not have been a problem, but together with the Cushings he developed laminitis and we still have problems to this day. His came on the next day or the day after (I was not home at the time and don't remember exactly). I think you're out of the woods for mechanical laminitis.

She could potentially develop laminitis due to her system being so stressed, but as I said there's not much to do that you aren't already doing. The damage is done, and you're doing all you can to keep it in check and prevent anything from getting worse. Do get her blood tested asap, and I would do xrays (not right away, I know you have a lot going on and the damage, if any, will take awhile to show fully).
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post #7 of 15 Old 06-22-2019, 02:26 AM Thread Starter
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Could be this horse was tying up after the ride. Some of the symptoms sound the same.
Yes she was unfortunately. Ride held in our stable so they couldnt put much care about the horse. This is what it caused to them... I believe you mean “havent been on a walk” by tying up?
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yes thank you. I just wanted to know if they can do anything else. I am not asking for med advices but anything else that can make her better is okay. By small city i really mean that. There is just one university that looks to horses but their machine is broken as they told us and we cant travel far to find a vet 😞 @Yogiwick
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post #9 of 15 Old 06-22-2019, 10:05 AM
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Yes she was unfortunately. Ride held in our stable so they couldnt put much care about the horse. This is what it caused to them... I believe you mean “havent been on a walk” by tying up?
I think she was referring to the health condition called exertional rhabdomyolysis, commonly called “tying up,” a problem brought on by factors including very heavy exercise. When I have seen endurance horses experiencing this, the classic sign is very dark urine.

Here is more information:
https://thehorse.com/16700/tying-up-in-horses-causes-and-management/
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post #10 of 15 Old 06-22-2019, 02:26 PM
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Definitely sounds like a tying up episode.
Please read above linked article. I'm willing to bet that is what happened to that lovely horse..
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