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post #11 of 20 Old 05-06-2011, 12:22 AM
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This isn't an arab thing... people are just prejudiced towards arabs. I own an arab and he is pretty flat footed... I'm not sure if this is truly clubbed feet. Might just be a bad trim job. It looks like the horse is growing a lot of heel and no toe, but that should be able to be fixed. A good farrier should help you straighten your horse our after around 3 shoeings.
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Both of Lacey's back hooves are pretty club-y (according to my hoof trimmer)...and she's an Arab... But I've never heard that before either. Interesting. I also know a NSH (half Arab) that is basically the OP's mare's twin with her front feet. When she's not trimmed often enough, her front hooves will basically turn into short little pillars. It's very strange.
Huh, I had never heard of that before. I wonder if it's really true or if it's just a very strange coincidence....

Here's my mare, this doesn't show them well, but it shows them (I think this was relatively soon after a trim, usually her heels are much higher)...She's totally sound, at age 26, and she has no issue using her back end to push herself. She does have a terribly rough trot which I hypothesize comes from her wonky hind hoof/pastern situation, but other than that, her gaits are great.


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Yes, those are all four club feet,
First off, not singling you out. Just answering multiple posts from here.

Though the angles are quite high, it looks as though the right front and left hind may be low grade club feet. (club foot = 60 deg or more) Not uncommon to find feet that match on the diagonal.


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and no, it's no an Arabian thing.
Not saying it is, but, it is well known in the profession that Arabs can be known for club feet.I suspect that a portion of them would be more correctly identified as Hi/Low instead.

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You do need to find a better farrier,
Not necessarily, however, farrier should be made aware that you would like the heels taken down a bit to help align the hoof/pastern axis.

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but make sure it's not one who's going to "fix" her by trimming the hell out of her heel--that'll make her lame.
Agreed. Flexion testing would help determine how much theheel can be reduced safely.

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I'd wager a good guess that her deep digital flexor tendons are significantly shortened.
If the tendons are short then theyv'e been that way from birth.(bones grew faster than tendons) Clubs that aren't congenital are generally, but not always, caused by a shortening of the flexor muscles.

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What I'd do as a starting point? Head over the the Hoofcare/Farrier Resource Forum at horseshoes.com - show them those pics, and see what the online professionals suggest.
Also good advice.

Someone also said that "people are just prejudice twords Arabs". That's just ignorant. Some do think that Arab's are nuts/crazy, IME the only ones I had problems w/ were a direct result of thoses that owned them.

As for lameness, keep a propper trim and you should be in good shape for a long time.

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Both of Lacey's back hooves are pretty club-y (according to my hoof trimmer)...and she's an Arab... But I've never heard that before either. Interesting. I also know a NSH (half Arab) that is basically the OP's mare's twin with her front feet. When she's not trimmed often enough, her front hooves will basically turn into short little pillars. It's very strange.
Huh, I had never heard of that before. I wonder if it's really true or if it's just a very strange coincidence....

Here's my mare, this doesn't show them well, but it shows them (I think this was relatively soon after a trim, usually her heels are much higher)...She's totally sound, at age 26, and she has no issue using her back end to push herself. She does have a terribly rough trot which I hypothesize comes from her wonky hind hoof/pastern situation, but other than that, her gaits are great.

It seems like when I was researching barefoot trimming, it was said that in studies of Mustangs, it is normal and natural for hind feet to have steeper angles than the front. My BLM Mustang (long domesticated) is that way.

But it seems very common in other breeds to have the hinds at a lower angle than the fronts. But I don't think that is ideal. I think that if Lacy's hinds are steeper than her fronts, that is probably a good thing.

Also, and it is just a personal belief, I think that the hoof form follows it's function. If the hoof grows wonky I think that is a result of the way the horse's body moves and wants those feet to be (within reason). In other words, I think if the feet are steep, and it's not the result of a poor farrier, it is because the horse's pasterns or some other part of it's skeleton is set up in such a way that the horse's feet naturally need to be that way. To try to over-correct such a flaw could do more harm than good to the horse's body. Just my opinion though!

There's a lot of stupid out there!
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It seems like when I was researching barefoot trimming, it was said that in studies of Mustangs, it is normal and natural for hind feet to have steeper angles than the front. My BLM Mustang (long domesticated) is that way.

But it seems very common in other breeds to have the hinds at a lower angle than the fronts. But I don't think that is ideal. I think that if Lacy's hinds are steeper than her fronts, that is probably a good thing.

Also, and it is just a personal belief, I think that the hoof form follows it's function. If the hoof grows wonky I think that is a result of the way the horse's body moves and wants those feet to be (within reason). In other words, I think if the feet are steep, and it's not the result of a poor farrier, it is because the horse's pasterns or some other part of it's skeleton is set up in such a way that the horse's feet naturally need to be that way. To try to over-correct such a flaw could do more harm than good to the horse's body. Just my opinion though!
To the first two paragraphs: That's very interesting! I had no idea. That makes me want to go research barefoot trimming more! haha That's good to know!

Third paragraph: I'm of the same opinion. :)
I'm pretty sure my trimmer isn't trying to correct it, I think (I try to talk to her about Lacey's hooves as much as possible so I understand exactly what her thoughts are and she's never said anything about trying to "correct" those angles)... She's told me that she just takes down the heel/bars a bit so that Lacey's hind hooves don't turn into little cylinders. I've never actually seen her take off any toe on her back hooves. She rolls them with her rasp but she's never done more to the toe than just rasp, she just doesn't have to.
Thanks for the information! I'm off to research more, my interest has been piqued.

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I wouldn't have a clue as to whether they're clubbed or not, and I've never heard it being common to arabs, I've been around a lot of arab's and none of them have ever been said to have a clubbed hoof, but I've always been told most thoroughbreds have one clubbed hoof. What's the actual definition of clubbed hoof?? And if you have a hoof that flares a bit even after being trimmed, could that be classed as club?
**When I say flared, I don't mean properly flared, (I find it hard to explain) I mean like the hoof itself is curved.

-Oh and to the OP, sorry to hi-jack your thread, I was going to start my own but I didn't think it would be worth anything.

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Someone also said that "people are just prejudice twords Arabs". That's just ignorant. Some do think that Arab's are nuts/crazy, IME the only ones I had problems w/ were a direct result of thoses that owned them.

As for lameness, keep a propper trim and you should be in good shape for a long time.[/QUOTE]

I said that and I agree with you that it is ignorant to be prejudiced towards them, I own one and he's an awesome horse. But I think this is also the reality. Most people I know really dislike Arabians, some barns I know of refuse to have them at their facility. Also there's no question that there are a lot of people who don't want the breed which is why so many end up at auctions. It's sad but true... many people have a lot of prejudgments about the breed that are wrong and talk about them negatively.
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This is a horse I use to own who had a club foot. You can probably guess which.......... it's her right. You can see that foot compared to the left foot.
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Thanks everyone! She has never been lame and her gaits are not choppy at all so maybe if she is clubbed it just doesn't bother her at all. I looked back at pics from before we moved and had to get a new farrier (went from Ohio to Wisconsin) and while her feet were more upright thanmost then they were definitely not this bad. I think I will just make the farrier take a little more heel and less toe to get back to how she was a year ago. If he can't I will try to find a new farrier. Thanks!!
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I wouldn't have a clue as to whether they're clubbed or not, and I've never heard it being common to arabs, I've been around a lot of arab's and none of them have ever been said to have a clubbed hoof, but I've always been told most thoroughbreds have one clubbed hoof. What's the actual definition of clubbed hoof?? And if you have a hoof that flares a bit even after being trimmed, could that be classed as club?
**When I say flared, I don't mean properly flared, (I find it hard to explain) I mean like the hoof itself is curved.

-Oh and to the OP, sorry to hi-jack your thread, I was going to start my own but I didn't think it would be worth anything.
If you want some input on this, please do indeed start a new thread and include pics. A hoof should not be curved on the vertical -- generally speaking you should be able to hold a ruler all the way around the hoof wall vertically and not see any space between the ruler and the hoof. From the new growth down that is.
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