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post #1 of 8 Old 11-23-2013, 12:48 PM Thread Starter
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PPE tests

I'm buying a horse from a dealer so I'm worried about viruses he might be carrying. the #1 thing I want to test for is Strangles. I'd like to test for the different Rhino viruses but I found out there's no test for that. If the horse has no temperature and no outward signs of sickness, what type of tests are there and how long does it take to get the results? The vet I'm using is the head vet from a university so I was wondering if he has the ELSA test for strangles. I want to vaccinate before putting the horse in quarantine but I guess that's pointless unless I'm sure the horse isn't carrying something. I don't know if he's had his spring shots. I'm at least going to give him those because I'm pretty sure he won't catch EEE, WEE, West Nile, Rabies or tetanus infection in the week since I last saw him. But I suppose he could. I'm a nervous wreck now. My instructor wants to come for the exam. I don't really want her there but I'm using her vet so she's coming. I want to be able to talk to the vet myself. She told him I'm "not educated" about PPEs! I've never had one before but that doesn't mean I'm an idiot. I almost went to school for veterinary science and had to take allot of science classes. She asked me if it would be ok if she came with me and I told her that was fine but now I realize if she goes we will be 2hrs. late and the vet charges by the hour. I'm telling her she has to find her own transportation because theres no way I'm being late for my own PPE. I might get an x-ray done too. I already told the vet to bring the radiograph machine. I wanted to check his tendons but an ultra sound costs way too much so I'll just have to go by flexion tests (which we already did) and the appearance of his legs.

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Btw

Btw, the reason I'm asking about it on here and not talking to the vet or my instructor is because I can't get in contact with them today.

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Elisa, also called coggins, tests for EIA. Horses who have had strangles can shed the virus their entire life but have no outwards signs so a test is useless. EVA is the only thing I know that can be tested for but it's a breeding stallion thing.

I"m probably reading too much into this but I'd reevaluate your relationship with your trainer. If someone were to make me feel like an idiot, I'm done with them. It will never be a productive relationship. Use her vet if you are comfortable with him and can talk to him but don't use him just because. If it's her horse or a client of her's horse absolutely not. That's a conflict of interest and the vet will not fully disclose what he finds with her standing there. She does not need to be there. Schedule the appointment when you know that she will be busy with lessons. Find another person at the barn who is knowledgeable and who will help you ask the right questions and interpret the information.

You are correct that he can't catch EE, WE or WN this time of year because the vectors are flies and mosquitos but they can come down with tetenus and rabies any time of the year. I would do a 2 shot series (because you don't know his immunization status) in the spring when he needs the protection of EWEE and WN than go to a once a year booster.
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PPE's should include a lameness evaluation, an eye exam, xrays of feet, hocks and stifles, and bloodwork. You want to use a vet who has the capabilities to do all of those.
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I agree that having the horse tested for strangles is pointless.

Apart from the usual tests for eyes wind and limb, I would also insist that blood is taken from the horse, one phial given to the vendor and the other the vet keeps. If anything goes wrong with the horse such as a radical change in temperament or it goes lame, the blood can be tested for drugs. If all is well then the phials can be ditched.
I cannot understand why you say that ultrasounds are so expensive. No more than X-rays.

Hope all goes well for you.
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So there's no way to know if he will give the whole barn strangles?

He doesn't have any signs of sickness but I saw a horse there who looked really sick with some kind of upper respiratory virus. He is not my instructor's horse. I'm buying him from a dealer. I think my instructor just doesn't like him because she hates thoroughbreds and wants me to get a big fat slow warmblood pony. For some people that's great. They can do almost anything except endurance and almost never go lame. But if I leave this horse at the dealer's I know he will end up at the Camelot auction in NJ. He's a hot horse and not everyone wants a hot horse. He passed the flexion tests and he's 16.3 with pretty big bones for a thoroughbred. He seems to have significant training in dressage also. I think he was someone's jumper. He has been off the track for 4yrs. I already found his race records and even watched a few of his races.

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I think your instructor is going so she can rag on your choices. Ditch her.
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Upper respiratory problems, often referred to as shipping fever, just needs to run it's course. Horses in that environment are under a lot of stress and interact with a ton of horses as they come and go so it does happen and it's nothing to get excited about. The good part is him coming off the track, he's been exposed to all sorts of things and should have a good immunity to all of it. You will want to isolate him for a minimum of 3 weeks when he gets home. If he's going to come down with something, that will give him time to develop it. If he's not, it will confirm to everyone at the barn that he is not contagious and a cesspool of germs. If a horse at the barn does happen to come down with something, he's not the source.

What tests you need to do in a PPE is going to depend upon how you are going to use him. Being an X jumper OTTB, there are a lot of areas that could be a problem down the road if you use him. If you don't aspire to go beyond 1-2 level, he might be as good as the first day you got him.

You've waited 20 years to get your first horse. If you have your heart set on an OTTB than don't let anyone change your mind. My 23 year old OTTB that I bought fresh off the track at 5 (had raced the day before the sale) is still a joy to ride, is sound, still has a need for speed and still makes me smile when I see him hanging out with the other boys in the pasture.

Another cool part of an OTTB is even if you do not get papers with him, you can research him by his lip tattoo. You can find his race record and even photos of him racing.
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