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post #11 of 34 Old 02-05-2016, 11:02 PM
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I have an NH gelding. I monitor his diet and have never seen him have an attack. I ride him quite alot as my main trail horse.

We do keep karo syrup on hand l but have never had to use it in the 8 years I've known him.

I personally have never heard of a hypp horse falling on anyone while being ridden.
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ALL of the halter horses in that barn were symptomatic. And just as an aside, coming from the Arab world where we expected our stallions to be family horses and behave, to that barn where they were some serious PIGS nearly put me off Stock Type horses FOREVER. I wouldn't have had one of those creatures as a gift, with or without the HYPP.

I got good at giving the Karo at the first sign of trouble and at that time, early 2000's I don't know if they were giving Acetazolimide tablets, I know they were still feeding alfalfa which we now know not to do. I do remember that one of the Vet's stallions was quite prone to severe attacks and her giving him the IV Calcium and that it was always risky and iffy that he'd pull out of it. He was very unstable.

I didn't work there long, there were just too many things going on that I wasn't comfortable with, so I found other things to do fairly quickly.

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I personally have never heard of a hypp horse falling on anyone while being ridden.
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this has been my experience as well, have never heard of an attack happening to anyone when riding that I have ever spoken to either Hear stories floating around on internet but, I prefer to go with what my own experiences & from those I know when forming my opinion on HYPP horses. Riding a HYPP pos horse, know I never gave it second thought about ohh.. better not ride....might drop dead!

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ALL of the halter horses in that barn were symptomatic. And just as an aside, coming from the Arab world where we expected our stallions to be family horses and behave, to that barn where they were some serious PIGS nearly put me off Stock Type horses FOREVER. I wouldn't have had one of those creatures as a gift, with or without the HYPP.

I got good at giving the Karo at the first sign of trouble and at that time, early 2000's I don't know if they were giving Acetazolimide tablets, I know they were still feeding alfalfa which we now know not to do. I do remember that one of the Vet's stallions was quite prone to severe attacks and her giving him the IV Calcium and that it was always risky and iffy that he'd pull out of it. He was very unstable.

I didn't work there long, there were just too many things going on that I wasn't comfortable with, so I found other things to do fairly quickly.
That would put me off too working in a barn like that !!! I personally know a few Halter horse breeders around that have N/H stock,one even had an H/H stallion. Horses are well behaved that I have seen & talking to them have they have seen very few episodes & very few of the horses are needing to be on maintance meds either. Sounds Like Place you worked had a real management problem,feel sorry for those horses

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At that time there wasn't a lot known about managing HYPP, and because the halter folks were still denying it existed and breeding for it, it was pretty much not well managed. I think the behavioral problems were caused because they knew stress could bring on an episode, so they never corrected they horses so as not to stress them. They bit, they shoved, they were just ..... awful. Beautiful but awful.

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We gave the halter horses 60 cc of Dark Karo Corn Syrup in an oral syringe. Something about the Karo made the sodium channels reverse what they were doing that was incorrect and the fasiculations would slow and, hopefully, stop. I got real good at telling when it was a fly vs an HYPP episode starting and never got fallen on again.
I've heard of that but didn't realize it worked immediately. So scary either way! Must be for the poor horse too!
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I've heard of that but didn't realize it worked immediately. So scary either way! Must be for the poor horse too!
It wasn't exactly immediately but it was pretty quick. Kind of like giving a diabetic who's having a severe low blood sugar event, honey or Karo under the tongue. It doesn't take long to act.
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I've been around two.

First one, Karo syrup every time. Always pulled through fine.

Second one, owner thought I was nuts. She called me from work to come help be she thought the horse was having a bout of colic. Turned out she was. But the stress of that triggered an episode. I called the BO and vet. They both confirmed I wasn't off. We lost her. Both issues going on at once in a very young horse just didn't go well.


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There is a story floating around that the horse collapsed at a show while ridden by a young girl. She wasn't killed. I'd like to explain something about HYPP horses. They need a low potassium diet, pasture, oats, senior feed. When this story began, and it's old, there wasn't a lot known about it. It was about 7 yrs before it was understood and what diet changes needed to be made. An HH is more likely to be symptomatic than an NH. NN rules it out completely. There are symptoms an observant handler can spot if knowing what to look for and take measures to prevent the horse having an episode. Why it's called that is that altho you'd think it was an epileptic seizure, it's not and the horse is perfectly fine. AQHA stopped registering HH stallions and mare about 1997?. There are many fine stallions nowadays that don't carry the gene. BTW, Impressive did not have HYPP, he passed a gene along that produced it in many offspring. Hope this helps. I have an NH and did a lot of research before getting him. He's never had an episode or even been symptomatic. HYPP is almost a dead issue as many of the carriers are gone.
The mutation for HYPP occurred when Impressive was conceived, thus he had that genetic defect, in order to pass it on, even if he himself never had an episode, he had to have been HYPP pos, or he could not have passed hypp on
Got to have the defective gene in order to pass it on , LOL
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HYPP is an autosomal dominant genetic defect, meaning both sexes are equally affected, and dominant means that there are no silent carriers-if the horse gets one copy of that defective gene, he is hypp pos
Also, just because a hypp parent has no episodes, does not mean if he passes that defect on, an offspring can't be more severely affected
It is hardly a non issue, as many halter breeding programs are built around HYPP positive horses, and since AQHA is an outcross for both Paints and Appaloosas, those stock horse breeds also have HYPP in them
All HYpp horses trace back to Impressive, so it is pretty much confirmed that when he was conceived, a genetic mutation occurred, creating a dominant genetic defect, which became known as HYPP, and which he then passed on to many of his offspring (50/50 chance)
AQHA has moved very slowly in also excluding HYPP heterozygous horses from registration, for the very reason they fear a back lash , from those halter programs, built around HYpp heterozygous horses
Since it is a dominant defect, thus no carrier state that is asymptomatic, as in HERDA, which is a recessive genetic defect, thus needing to have two copies of the defect, for clinical disease, no horse with a dominant genetic defect should be bred
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