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post #41 of 58 Old 11-29-2018, 06:57 PM Thread Starter
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I would do a night-check before you go to bed and knowing you're up early, as soon as you're up....out to the barn.
Sleep...you can try but I bet you are out in the barn checking at least once during the night as it is.
Make the decision tomorrow about what to do tomorrow morning...you will be near 12 hours further into this and should be about the time the vet started to work on him and tubed him...
Remember the 36 hours thing...
I don't start counting hours till after help has been rendered, not before.
See how the horse is come morning.
If you need to slip home between classes, do it.
Your gut instincts are on high alert...use them.
It sounds to me like you already have passed the pinnacle of trouble...


Questions though...
You feed soaked hay cubes for their "meal" but offer hay nets to eat from all day?
Why?
Why the extra work of soaking cubes if they are able to eat hay?
I know you do your own special mixture of supplements and certain food stuffs...isn't that where you put in those supplements or is that the soaked cubes job?

And you made mention of heated buckets and offering extra water to Rusty when topping them...
You don't have automatic waterers available?
I know its freezing cold but don't they make something that would give a water supply even in the cold so never a chance of running out?
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The function of the soaked hay cubes is simply as a vehicle for supplements. The supplements are straight minerals. No fillers. So powder, basically. Therefore I have to put them in something. I only give enough to make sure they eat all their vitamins and minerals. And yes, they have haynets the rest of the time. They might run out -- at night for example -- but the horses are never without hay for more than a couple of hours and the vast majority of the time, there is still a bit left. Harley needs to lose weight, and the other two are easy keepers, so free choice does not work (I tried), and when I really want the hay to last, I will use the nets with the smallest holes. I am measuring each horse's girth at least weekly, sometimes more often, so I can monitor if any one of them is losing weight or gaining too much. With three living as a herd, I find that's necessary to make sure they're all getting enough and no one is hoarding. As an additional measure, I put Harley in a stall at night with one of the nets with the tiniest holes, and give the other two a little extra.

I don't want to put in automatic waterers because it's cold here, as you know, and they have a history of freezing up and malfunctioning, leading to flooded stalls. So instead, I have three large heated buckets. I have never seen all three of them empty, in fact, it's rare to even find one empty. I'm a little OCD remember? I go to the barn 5 times a day, minimum. When I can't work from home, and have to go out, it's only for a few hours a couple of times a week. Even then, I feed at 7 am, at 9 before I leave for first classes, at 3 which is when I get home, at 7, and at 9 pm. When I work from home, I add in a feeding at noon, but when I can't do that, I hang extra haynets between 9 and 3.

Using buckets also provide the advantage that I know exactly how much they're drinking. Last night, I shut Rusty in the double stall by himself so I could check to make sure he was drinking, peeing and pooping.
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He got through another night, and has been pooping through the night, so I have taken him out of isolation this morning so he can be with the herd again. He is now getting hay in haynets with the other two. And yes, I know it's easier to keep track of things (how much he's drinking, pooping, etc.) when a horse is in their own space, but when he's turned out with others, he moves around a lot more which is good for him. So for now, I'll keep a close eye on him, but will begin getting him back to his regular routine. Thanks for your support everyone!
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The function of the soaked hay cubes is simply as a vehicle for supplements. The supplements are straight minerals. No fillers. So powder, basically. Therefore I have to put them in something. I only give enough to make sure they eat all their vitamins and minerals.
That is what I do also. The total weight of the cubes (pre-soak) is half a pound split into 2 sessions.

Colic is so scary... Djinn had a mild incident once when I fed him a questionable carrot, but I have had 3 dogs "bloat" (gastric torsion) all three requiring emergency surgery. No way to know why. I have my theories, but the vets just roll their eyes at them.

So scary, and glad to know he is doing well.
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Is there any chance you can find out Rusty's previous vet to ask if he has been treated for colic in the past? If it were me, I think I would want to know if this is a frequent occurrence. I had a mare for 17 years that only colicked once, but I think some horses are prone to many episodes and his owners may not tell you the whole truth if they think it will affect the sale (I'm assuming he is still on trial). Just a thought.
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Is there any chance you can find out Rusty's previous vet to ask if he has been treated for colic in the past? If it were me, I think I would want to know if this is a frequent occurrence. I had a mare for 17 years that only colicked once, but I think some horses are prone to many episodes and his owners may not tell you the whole truth if they think it will affect the sale (I'm assuming he is still on trial). Just a thought.
The vet has never been called for him except for vaccines. We are in a small community, where everyone in the horse world knows everyone else.

As for her being worried about the sale, that is definitely not the case. She came to visit last night and we had a good talk. I told her I could not buy Rusty until I was sure he was not a chronic colicker. She said no problem, I can keep him until spring and decide then.

I know someone who has a horse that colicks regularly, has had probably a dozen colic episodes. The owner walks her through it, the vet has left her some bute because it just happens so often, she doesn't even call the vet anymore. It takes hours to get through each episode, and she has spent many a sleepless night. It has happened during a show. I just can't take that on at this point in my life. If he colicks again in the next 4 months, I will have to pass on him, sadly. But I am still hopeful it was a freak incident, and that the move may have brought it on even though it was a month ago.
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One thing I notice, now that I'm obsessed with poop, is that his manure balls are smaller than my two other horses. Not sure whether that's just since the colic, or whether it's always been that way... just thought it was a bit weird. Maybe his intestines are smaller than normal?
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Nuts lost my effort and have to redo it so...

If his poo balls separate from each readily, in combination with smaller size, the stool may be dry. If the stool is dry he probably isnít getting enough water into him. I know youíre doing the heated bucket thing so the opportunity is there but we may have to get a bit more creative to ensure that he getting more water.
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Nuts lost my effort and have to redo it so...

If his poo balls separate from each readily, in combination with smaller size, the stool may be dry. If the stool is dry he probably isnít getting enough water into him. I know youíre doing the heated bucket thing so the opportunity is there but we may have to get a bit more creative to ensure that he getting more water.
Yes, that makes sense. And after the colic episode, I added a water trough outside. Unfortunately, it's going to freeze pretty often, but I will just dump out the ice, and keep refilling it. At his previous barn, he was only given water twice a day so I figure if I keep providing fresh water, even if it freezes in a few hours, he can still get enough. That said, I have seen him drink out of the heated buckets quite frequently.

Thanks for taking the time to retype! This is helpful.
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Add a couple of tablespoons of salt to those soaked cubes, if his manure looks dry.

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Add a couple of tablespoons of salt to those soaked cubes, if his manure looks dry.
I already give a tablespoon twice daily.
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