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post #1 of 11 Old 08-20-2019, 01:17 PM Thread Starter
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Sacroiliac Joint Restriction

So, I got my horse a massage and she said she found a lot of restriction in his neck and his SI and that he had some muscle atrophy in his glutes...Ive only had this horse for about 3 months and his previous owners said hes had no lameness issues...hes not to the point where he needs injections and I need some advice on what to do...hes already on a joint supplement and we talked about doing trot work and cavelletis but is there anything else I can do to improve it? I wont be able to afford him if he needs regular injections and its breaking my heart thank you
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It would be odd to have a horse NOT need some help, that's pretty normal! I'm not sure why injections would correlate to these things anyways.

You may want to think about having a veterinary chiropractor out, I think sitting down and looking at the horse would be beneficial and help you learn about the best way to help him out.

A joint supplement is great and you just have to follow through with the strengthening exercises. I wouldn't think there's too much else to do, I definitely wouldn't be panicking about something that will likely not even be needed!

It also sounds like you took the sellers word that he was sound, always have the vet check that! However, it doesn't sound like there is an actual problem, but it is good to check anyways!
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My comments are based on my experience with the horse in my avatar, that does have a fractured sacrum -- that happened after I bought him:)

1. The Seller was not truthful. SI issues just don't appear out of nowhere --- provided your massage therapists knows what he/she is talking about.

There's been an injury somewhere in the horse's life. It could have been anything from the pasture, to casting himself in a stall, to mishandling by a human, to charging backward losing his balance and falling on his butt.

IMHO, it would be best to carry the horse to a vet or hospital with the diagnostic equipment to look at the horse's skeletal structure to make an accurate diagnosis, so you know what the treatment(s) should be and what work level (if any)'the horse will be able to do in the future.

That said --- it sounds as if you did not get a PPE on this horse?

In my horse's case, the injury is a fractured sacrum (he fractured it in 2007) but his poll sometimes goes out when he is overcompensating trying to get up.

The rear hooves can also be affected in that the horse will move its back end different causing abnormal wear on one side of the hoof or the other.

I use this red light therapy pad on my horse. It is 12 years old and has more than paid for itself on a couple of horses, dogs, and my leg when I had cellulitis.

https://equinelighttherapy.com


I've also got my horse on this particular Cosequin by Nutramax. It works the best of any oral supplement I have tried and it does have clinical studies behind it.

https://www.chewy.com/nutramax-coseq...onic/dp/133613

Another cheap fix because I can't afford $700 for the Sportz Vibe therapy massage/heat sheet --- I gave my horse my $20 chair massage pad that I bought at WalMart for my back, and bought myself a new one. I cinch it on him with a stretchy standing wrap and leave it on each affected area 20 minutes. Not ideal but it works until I hit the lottery:)

My horse also sees a hollistic vet/chiro/acupuncturist monthly. He is 24 and his fracture is now 12 years old with a lot of arthritis build up. No injections -- the lameness vet who treated him for founder (he's also insulin resistant) nixed that in a big way.

He is not rideable but he is dealing with a serious fracture, hopefully that is not the case with your horse.

Best wishes, as SI injuries are a serious issue and to reiterate, it would be best to spend the money up front to find out precisely what the issue is.

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Im still in contact with the previous owner and theyre just as confused as me. They were very honest about his known vices like some previous scar tissue on his leg that I wouldnt of noticed unless they pointed it out etc. They only had him for a year, she just got a new horse because he was uncomfortable for her to ride so she bought a gaited horse. I didnt get a PPE and I regret it but whats done is done. He doesnt appear lame or anything just a bit siff and he works out of it. He goes outside on a big hill which I think aggravated his SI from lack of muscle but I could be wrong (hes going in a smaller less hilly pasture now). Hes not cold backed or anything when I first got him he did fine with his leads and now to the right hes been picking up the wrong one and then doing a lead change and hes still willing to work...Hes my first horse and I overthink so its not a good combo. He was a camp trail horse for the first 12 years of his life and then they had him for a year before he came to me. Hes only 14.
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Get a vet out and have the horse checked over by a professional that spent years training to do their job.
Some people that do equine massage have done nothing more than an online course.
The horse may have a problem but let a vet be the one to decide that using ultrasound before you start worrying
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Shes well trusted and trained. Im not able to get a vet out until a later date.
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Subbing because I have a hunter bumpy gelding that will probably see SI weakness later in life, and I would love to glean from the expert brains


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1. A flatter pasture is good, at least you have been able to do that:)

2. What joint supplement are you using? My horse is on the Cosequin ASU + (Plus) because the vet put him on it. It is expensive but nothing cheap is going to be of much help:)

3. Buy yourself a $20 chair size massage pad at WalMart, Walgreen, Target, etc. and start using it on the target areas of soreness. My horse does best with this in the AM before turnout to loosen him up a bit.

4. Can you get some at Liberty videos of him walking? Trotting? Also a square pic of his butt. You would need to be standing squarely behind him --- not at an angle as it would skew the angles of his hips. If need be, have someone hold him and keep him squared up:)

5. Perhaps the Sellers weren't aware. You've had him three months -- think back -- how was he three months ago, regarding this issue? Maybe he twisted himself since you've had him --- he could have done something rolling but, if his skeleton is that sensitive, he still needs looked at by a vet as there is damage done somewhere:)

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So, I may have missed it but...

What are you planning to do with said horse?
If the horse met your needs, wants and desires till some "body worker" pronounced him to suddenly have all these problems...

You need to evaluate what it is the horse must do to be your riding companion...
What has changed but someone made some comment and put a wad of your $$ in their pocket?
Sorry, but unless that "body-worker" comes with a degree of VMD or DVM I would be seriously questioning some things...
By making this "diagnosis" who benefits financially when you are told the horse needs repeat, repeat, repeated treatments by their hand.

Do you truly see a difference in the horses abilities by the next day?
Improvements....regression..

What has your trusted vet to say about this "diagnosis"???
And please remember....to my knowledge, unless you hang a shingle of VMD or DVM legally you have no right to diagnose...that may have changed but I have serious reservations about someone suddenly making claims of this or that detrimental to my animal and they benefit $$ by those words...
And...since the horse had no noticeable issue of great problems before and now does...it is very possible the body worker put something out of whack the horse could of had for years, compensated and lived with daily...
Sorry...

Yea, no...back it up with a diagnostic exam by your vet then fine otherwise, I am very skeptical.
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1. The Seller was not truthful. SI issues just don't appear out of nowhere --- provided your massage therapists knows what he/she is talking about.
Agree with the rest you said, but I just wouldn't jump to the above conclusion, without knowing a lot more at least. So many people are in complete - or various stages of - ignorance about this sort of thing. I've found that can include vets & other professionals too, so that's why I don't think it's reasonable to assume the seller was necessarily untruthful. Many just think if the horse isn't lame, the horse is just fine.

I'd get a chiropractic vet to the horse, see what they say.
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Some info I've found helpful; [COLOR=Lime][B]www.horseforum.com/horse-health/hoof-lameness-info-horse-owners-89836/
For taking critique pics; [COLOR=Lime][B]https://www.horseforum.com/members/41...res-128437.jpg
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