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post #1 of 17 Old 05-23-2017, 09:21 PM Thread Starter
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Sarcoids What Do I Do??

I don't currently have any pics but I can get some soon. I have a mare (grey) who is covered in sarcoids. I have treated them just gently with herbal remedies until this point and they often disappear for a short time before a new one appears somewhere else. My vet didn't want to remove them when they first showed up (which I understand) when she was six/sevenish. Now she's about eight and there is one right where the saddle cinch sits, two where the bit sits, and two where the breast collar sits. Now before anyone suggests contaminated tack, I know this is NOT the case. I bought all my tack brand new and it has never seen any horses but my two but it was customized for her specifically. My other horse does not suffer from sarcoids, so I really doubt it's my tack. I don't know what to do, I need to make an appt. with my vet this week to get a biopsy done on it for sure, but has anyone ever had any success in a gentle treatment? Would you suggest purchasing a full fly getup to keep flies off her? The ones on her muzzle won't really benefit from masks and fly sheets, perhaps bug spray? I'd be afraid on contaminating it, so I haven't done that. I currently have her on a special tea that a friend used for the treatment of an infectious mole, it worked like a charm for her and I had researched it to find that it is for any kind of skin ailment (even cancer). It can't do any harm and I want to avoid surgical removal if I can, does anyone else have any sarcoid battling experience? I'm pretty well in the dark.

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Mr. Jack had one about the size of a half dollar on his neck last year. The vet gave me a prescription for a cream that comes in little foil packages....can't remember the name.....basically burn the skin and forms a scab.....

The good news is, the sarcoid is gone and so far hasn't came back...

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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I have a friend with a mare that has one appear on her shoulder. It's strange, but toothpaste works for her. I didn't believe it at first, but I saw it disappear with it. I don't know how long she does it for, but it heals up and the hair grows back.

Other than that, I have ZERO experience with them and won't pretend I do.
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post #4 of 17 Old 05-23-2017, 11:14 PM
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Unless they are obstructing, you leave out alone and hope you don't anger it.

Or you can freeze them off or excise them. Is tricky though as you don't know how far the roots reach.

I have heard of crest toothpaste working, never tried it. Mine has one on his cheek I just leave alone.
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You seem to think Sarcoids are contagious. They're not contagious from horse to horse, and they're also not contagious from one spot to another externally on the horse. Meaning, you can't touch one sarcoid and spread it to another spot. They are a virus that the horse has gotten into his system, usually from the environment. It's similar to how kids get warts from an internal virus, and they will crop up here and there. But a kid can't give warts to another kid.

One thing to understand is that viruses often show up externally like warts and herpes when the immune system is depressed. For example, my horse had quite a few sarcoids that showed up after being starved. Once her diet and immune system were healthy, many of the sarcoids went away on their own.

That being said, my mare did have a couple large sarcoids in places where they interfered with tack. We used XXterra to burn them off. It is bloodroot paste, made from a plant, and the vet can get it for you. It's easy to use, and I've seen it used on a couple horses. The sarcoids went away, the skin healed over and they never came back. My mare doesn't have any sarcoids anymore.
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You seem to think Sarcoids are contagious. They're not contagious from horse to horse, and they're also not contagious from one spot to another externally on the horse. Meaning, you can't touch one sarcoid and spread it to another spot. They are a virus that the horse has gotten into his system, usually from the environment. It's similar to how kids get warts from an internal virus, and they will crop up here and there. But a kid can't give warts to another kid.

One thing to understand is that viruses often show up externally like warts and herpes when the immune system is depressed. For example, my horse had quite a few sarcoids that showed up after being starved. Once her diet and immune system were healthy, many of the sarcoids went away on their own.

That being said, my mare did have a couple large sarcoids in places where they interfered with tack. We used XXterra to burn them off. It is bloodroot paste, made from a plant, and the vet can get it for you. It's easy to use, and I've seen it used on a couple horses. The sarcoids went away, the skin healed over and they never came back. My mare doesn't have any sarcoids anymore.
Yes I understand that, I just wanted to clear up that it is NOT tack because my tack doesn't bother my other horse. I had some people suggesting it was tack because of how they are all located in places that interfere with my tack. I will definitely ask my vet about XXterra and look into the Crest toothpaste too.
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When I bought my current horse, she had a large "occult" sarcoid under her armpit, and not too long after I bought her, two "angry" nodular sarcoids appeared over the top of the occult sarcoid (types of equine sarcoids: http://equinesarcoid.co.uk/introduct...sarcoid-types/). The nodules came up out of nowhere, and started dripping blood. In that case, I felt I couldn't ignore it. The vet did a series of injections and then followed it up with Aldara cream. This is the thread I posted about it, it includes some pictures so you can see what it looked like in "angry" phase and healing phase.

I read a lot about the Crest toothpaste method when I was deciding what to do, and while I can respect that some people seem to have had some success with it, I wanted something more research based if we were going to pursue treatment. University of Minnesota has done a lot of research on the Aldrara treatment, you can read that here

I agree with the general advice not to touch it unless you have to. In the last 6 months, my mare has developed an aural plaque in one ear, and during our spring check-up this year the vet and I decided to just watch it and not touch it. If I were in your position, I'd want a vet's advice on each of the sarcoids individually.

One other thought- you say she's grey. Could they actually be melanomas and not sarcoids?
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With grey horses they might be melanomas - not sarcoids. I would definitely talk to your vet about it before doing anything. Usually the answer is just leave them alone- but if they are encroaching on saddle area, the bit, or the rectum then you might have those removed by some of the above suggested methods. We recently lost a horse at our barn that had melanomas so large they were covering over his rectum, despite having them removed several times. So early detection is important as well as being vigilant in treating them. This horse had great owners and they did everything for him - it was just a very complicated location that continued to be irritated and infected after removal (since poop was constantly touching it) and then the flies made it worse (despite wearing every ounce of fly gear possible).
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Ditto to above, esp since they are all over,and the horse is grey.
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here is good link on equine sarcoids and melanomas

Sarcoids And Melanomas | TheHorse.com

As to what to do, first get a diagnosis, to know what you are dealing with(Biopsy ) Then, although there are herbal products with efficacy, and I myself used crest tooth paste, for a small sarcoid near an eye, as a lab tech, I believe that herbal remedies are great , as supportive treatment, but NOT in exclusion of main stream treatment with proven efficacy, through true clinical trails, versus anecdotal observations.

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