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post #121 of 144 Old 05-19-2011, 12:44 PM
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post #122 of 144 Old 05-19-2011, 01:50 PM
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Indy, thanks for voicing your very coherent opinion! I do my best not to come across as a "koolaider" but this is something I am very passionate about.

I suppose the only thing that I'm looking for is that people be willing to examine the possibilities of barefoot. I hope that my strong opinions haven't turned people off, because there really is so much potential for benefit!

Alwaysbehind, I did not know your own personal history with your horse's feet. I know that flatfootedness has been corrected with good barefoot trimming. I'm sorry it didn't work out for your guy, and good for you for being willing to examine all the options.

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Magaidh, hopefully Indy's insight will help you pass along good information with out moving over into the 'shove it down their throat' side in the future.

Most people are not dumb.
No one wants to pay more for shoes, have the hassle and worry that come with shoes (losing them, them getting lose at all the wrong times, etc).

We just know that some horses need them.

Being willing to do what is best for the individual horse makes for a good horseman. Looking at the world with only one opinion leaves you missing out on many things.
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Indy BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Esp this line!!! "One true way-isms don't work in the horse world, and there will always be one out there to prove you wrong if you feel the need to be preachy."

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If more people thought like this, the horse world would certainly be more harmonious ;)

Horses are individuals, just like us. Do I need orthotics in my shoes to run comfortably? Nope. Does my hubby? Yep. Does he make me wear them even though I don't need them? No he does not. Do I tell him he shouldn't wear them just because I don't happen to need them? No, that's ridiculous.

Anyone out there think that I should wear them just because or that he should forego them just because? Doesn't make sense...applies to shod vs barefoot as well. More people need to realize that.

Oh, and my mare is barefoot, always has been. I see no reason to put shoes on her since she's always sound. If she starts ever getting chronically or frequently ouchy or we ever happen to want to compete at Rolex (not likely lol) and need studs or some extreme like that, then I will gladly put shoes on her to make her safe/comfortable. Until then, she doesn't need them, so why waste the $$ and put holes in her hooves if there is no need to? ;)

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Being willing to do what is best for the individual horse makes for a good horseman. Looking at the world with only one opinion leaves you missing out on many things.
VERY well said as well! Bravo my fellow HorseForumers!

"The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in the sand, is when I carried you..."
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Oh geez.

Thanks everyone. Didn't expect a standing ovation for my opinions. lol

Magaidh, I totally get being passionate about it, I really do. And I totally understand wanting to educate people about the benefits. I think that's a "good cause". But where you run into trouble is 1.) assuming the folks you are talking about HAVEN'T already educated themselves about it, when ultimately they might have, and just made a different decision than you. And 2.) when it goes from trying to educate, to arguing with people about the choices they have made for their own horses.

Think of it like any other subject you would try to teach someone. As you said, you want people to understand the BENEFITS. So teach benefits. Don't teach your subject of the benefits of barefoot by attacking the shoeing industry and telling everyone how much damage it causes/how evil it is/how much they are hurting their horses by shoeing them.

Would you teach someone about soccer by telling them how awful baseball is?


HITS, I find horses are very good at making us humble. If you try to say "no horse does that" it's a sure thing your own will the very next day. :)



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Well yes, I suppose if you board some place with these options. Not all of us have fancy set-ups that allow for delicate foot turn out.
And even boarding barns that do have these options many are not willing to put on and take off cumbersome boots on a daily basis.

^ This is my point about management. Many people aren't willing or able to keep an individual horse in the conditions it needs to be barefoot, so shoes become the only option. Not judging anyone for it, we all do what we have to do to keep our horses sound with what we've got. However it doesn't always mean the horse needs shoes, full stop. It just means the horse needs shoes, in that situation.

To be honest, I don't care if I come off as a 'Kool aider'. What I have learnt, from professionals in their fields, has led me to believe that shoes can and do cause damage, simply because of what they are and how they work. I do beloved they can be used with success - when I say success, I mean in regards to making an horse able to work in environments/management situations mean barefoot won't - but I truly don't believe shoes allow a fully functional hoof. If that makes me a kool aider, so be it. I don't think I have ever judged anyone for having their horses shod, but I'm not going to pretend I don't believe the above just because others don't agree.

I ride with many people who have shod horses. I ride with many people who have their horses bare but quite neglected and not trimmed often enough. And I never say a word unless asked for my opinion. Here, it is supposed to be a place we can share our opinions, so I do, and I don't think we should have to temper what we believe to fit in with other people's views. Why should I HAVE to accept shoes don't cause harm/shoes may be a necessity, when I don't believe it?
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Wild Spot, I do not disagree, but then comes real life.

If all things were perfect then of course we would all be able to set our lives up in a manner that every horse we owned would have just right everything, period.

But it is not a utopian society and most of us do not have an endless stream of money.

Then you add glitches into the system. A horse with flat feet who is the most sound (not totally by any stretch) on soft deep sand footing but same horse has a history of ligament issues that do not allow him to hang out in soft sand footing.


If I was smart, like Indy, I would not have bought a horse that has feet that will not handle being barefoot. There is nothing more frustrating than having to deal with shoes on a retired horse.
I have owned this horse for almost 15 years. He was bought for his ability to do his job well and for his amazing brain. Not his hoof quality. I am certainly not going to toss him out because he is less than handy to own because he has high maintenance feet.
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I pulled the shoes off my gelding two years ago and he has been a poster child with great feet and no signs of lameness. I put him up for sale and the vet check showed some strange things where the tendon attaches near the navicular bone. Could this be from not having shoes on? They also said that he tested sore at the ankle on the right front. For the last two years he has been shoe-less and ridden twice a week with regular turnout. I am thinking about putting shoes on the front feet to support something that might be going on here. Is it possible that the digital x-rays are just showing normal structural changes on a natural hoofed horse? Most vet doesn't see these types of horses and definitely not on show horses. The vet doing the exam said that it wasn't navicular but it raised a red flag. He recommended a second opinion. Any input out there?
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Hey guys thanks for replying,
I was wondering could this be probable, I was talk to a friend of mine jenna and she's very experienced with horses more so than me or even most of my pony club, And we were discussing abscess's in all of the horses we'd both worked with which is probably 35 put together or more, And we came to the conculsion that if a horse had been or was shod their abscess broke through along the coronary band,

And horses that had never been shod they abscesses if they had any broke through in much less damaging places and had less instants of having them at all.

I'm not bagging shoes or barefoot here and please no more fighting it petty and you can't change the other persons mind i started this thread to become more informed in other peoples opinions and what their experiances not to see people bag each others opinions,

What i would like to know now is it possible that me and Jenna's conclusion could be right, What your story with abscesses had the horse been shod or barefoot and where it broke out and why they got one, if you know.

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