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post #1 of 6 Old 12-23-2013, 07:09 AM Thread Starter
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Soft Manure + Hot Summer

Mitch tends to always have soft manure, plus a bit of diarrhea toward the end of each bowel movement he has (that I've ever seen) and he has always been a bit of an issue to keep weight on during the winter when there is a lack of grass, but as soon as spring hits, he piles the weight back on and looks like he should do all the time. bringing him back into work however, always causes him to look ribby afterwards.

My concern right now is the loose manure rather than weight, not only is it horrible for both him and I to be cleaning his butt every day to keep him comfortable and rid of the mess he leaves throughout his tail and butt cheeks, but surely it can't be healthy for him! He has always been like this since I got him 3 years ago, he has always been on the same grass (Rye, somebody kill me now I hate the stuff but it's where I live) and always been on meadow hay also, there is always a fresh pile in front of him somewhere.

Right now, he is on barely any grass, but plenty of hay due to his behavioural issues that crop up with the spring grass, but yet he is still having quite loose poop, I only cleaned him up yesterday afternoon, and had to do it again today because it looked like I hadn't cleaned him at all!

Since I'm in NZ and many of you aren't i'll stick up links to the feeds he is on just in case you may not have seen them before... He is only on feed to get his toxin binders etc, so I'm not worried about the whole "your horse MUST have this much per day" part of the website
He is being fed a 2L icecream container of Fibre Protect each day
(I know, bad mother, I don't remember what it weighs)

He is also on alleviate C and Tox Defy, he is on the "proper dosage" of these each day
Alleviate C: Calm Healthy Horses - The problem with grass!
Tox Defy: Calm Healthy Horses - The problem with grass!

His behaviour has improved immensely after being put on the above two supplements, and about a week ago he had these random looking lumps over the bottom of his belly, and the lower part of one side of his rump, I am ticking that up to possible allergies since they have disappeared completely with the use of the Tox Defy, and also a mesh cover on all the time, he gets too hot in a cotton sheet. The lumps were around 1-2cm raised, and differed in shape and size, some being as big as my entire hand, some as little as my thumb. they were all hard, but never looked or felt to be causing pain to Mitch.

He sweats incredibly easy, it's actually ridiculous how much this horse can sweat and how easily he does it. So with that and his diarrhea I am worried about him losing electrolytes and becoming dehydrated during this rather hot summer, could this all be related to why I have a hard time keeping weight on him when he is in work, and in the winter?

Should I be supplementing electrolytes into his feed, or can I accidentally overdose him with electrolytes and cause issues that way too? I haven't found any sources of powdered electrolytes around here yet, but I am also toying with the idea of adding yeast or another probiotic of some sort for a period of time to see if it makes a difference. but again don't want to risk over supplementing him and causing other issues.
I do want to have the vet draw bloods, but they have never seemed terribly worried about his diarrhea, so I never thought much of it, but it's becoming quite a bit of a hassle, and it can't be very comfortable walking around with dried poop stuck to your butt cheeks until it gets cleaned off by your human slave every day. I did have it under control for a bit, or so I thought, and it has just come back all of a sudden for no obvious reason. No feed changes, no new stresses, nothing that I can think of.

I don't know whether it makes a difference to this particular case, but he is UTD on everything, all vaccines(due feb 2014), teeth (due august 2014), hooves, worming etc.

I know I will probably get the vet speech, and I am prepared to have the vet out, but it will have to be asap after new years since everyone has gone on holiday and this isn't the sort of thing, to me, that warrants an emergency out of hours call when he is still happy and bouncing around the place, still showing every sign of being healthy apart from the diarrhea.

R.I.P ~ Bubbles - 25yo tb mare - 13.04.2011 ~ 8:30am ~ passed away naturally and peacefully in my arms
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post #2 of 6 Old 12-23-2013, 10:01 PM
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I cant really help much but do sympathise with you - I am in NZ too and have rye grass everywhere. I try and spray off as much as I can because the seeds get into my dogs fur and most summers I end up having to get some surgically removed by the vet even though I check their coats daily. When its the right season I am going to over-sow with some timothy grass and other horse-friendly seeds and try phase out the rye (and clover).
My new horse has the same problem with unformed soft manure and had a very dirty butt when he arrived. I have them on a track system with very little grass and lots of hay, it seems to be helping as his back end is much cleaner now.
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post #3 of 6 Old 12-23-2013, 10:09 PM
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Until you get the loose stool under control, slather his clean backside with petroleum jelly so the manure doesn't scald him. Do the underside of his tail as well if that is a problem area.

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Kiwi, I know right, it's horrible disgusting stuff! who even invented such a grass, honestly. It gives the calves staggers though so we are slowly killing it off and replacing it with better grass.
Whats so bad about clover? I know many people have clover hay, and like it a lot, so whats bad about the grass?
I emailed the Calmhealthyhorses lady the other day about combining more than 2 of her products at once, but being christmas she is probably enjoying a well deserved holiday so I don't expect to get an email back any time soon

Saddlebag, thanks for the idea, I have his tail bagged all the time but I can't believe I never thought to slather him in petroleum jelly! What a good idea. I have been using sheath cleaning gel or baby oil (not on sunny/hot days) to soften the mess before wiping it off, but I will definitely try the petroleum jelly until I have a vet out and have the problem sorted.

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Just got too much of it, in some areas all there is is clover. Guess I could just spread some new seed over top next year and see if that thins it out a bit.
Although my boys manure has firmed up it is still fairly unformed and if he gets excited or nervous it quickly goes back to almost liquid.
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post #6 of 6 Old 12-24-2013, 04:46 AM Thread Starter
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Oh right, that makes sense. I have more of a problem with buttercup at the moment... I started bringing Mitch back into work a few weeks back and I had myself a Buttercup jumping Hunting horse Only he would only jump certain patches of buttercup.

Mitchs does that too, and I can understand it from the stress perspective, but I really need to get it sorted... Small hunch in me says if I can sort out the manure issue then the weight issue might resolve also, or at least partially so.

R.I.P ~ Bubbles - 25yo tb mare - 13.04.2011 ~ 8:30am ~ passed away naturally and peacefully in my arms
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