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post #1 of 8 Old 04-02-2020, 12:21 AM Thread Starter
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Stopping and kicking out

Hello, so i have a 13 yr old OTTB and he has a new bad habit. We’ll be trotting or walking and he’ll just stop out of no where and kick on his back leg or strike out his front leg and will refuse to move forward so i have to pull him left and right and circle him in order to get him to move forward again. He’s been checked by the vet and he’s not lame or in pain but he does have a cocky attitude and he learns bad habits very quickly. If any of you have any tips on how to break this bad habit please let me know!!
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post #2 of 8 Old 04-02-2020, 01:26 AM
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Big stick and the moment he stops you use it HARD behind your leg.

You need to toughen up with this horse. He has got your number.
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Agree...if the horse has been checked by a vet and nothing is wrong...
Then time to get tough...
He has your number and is disrespectful of you both on the ground, you wrote of in a different thread, and now astride.
Till you step up and meet his attitude with a larger one of "not putting up with this anymore" this horses antics are only going to escalate...not fun and yes, dangerous.
A different mindset from you would be a place to start.
Positive, we are going to do this today, then do it...
If the horse steps out of line...ask again stronger with confidence...if he again tries to disrespect..nail him and mean it!
Give the animal a chance to do it right, if he does...fantastic.
If he doesn't he pay the consequence.

You are being tested and failing. It shows in/by his attitude with you.
When you decide enough is enough just be prepared for some strange reactions...he is not expecting you to do anything but accept his bad behavior/manners & disrespect, so any reaction or push-back is foreign and going to get some sort of "Wow!!" prepared!
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Hope your vet is good with joint issues.
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post #5 of 8 Old 04-02-2020, 07:33 AM
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The pony I used to lease had this habit! It was the same - purely attitude, and she only did it with newer riders (which included me for awhile). Using the crop - a big whack - and pushing her forward was the only way. And finally when she realized she wasn't getting out of work, she stopped doing it with me.

She also wouldn't do it as much when we were keeping her mind busy with interesting patterns. It was usually only when we were just following the edge of the arena at walk or trot.
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The horse I was riding last winter did this. I found that there was nothing for it but to push through it... however, once I got him moving well, I gave him TOTAL release. I had a grab strap on my saddle, and once he got trotting freely I would drop my contact, grab the strap just in case, and keep my leg off and just have him cruise around. If he puttered out I'd use leg once, and firmly, to bring him back up, and then go back to zero input. It improved his general attitude a lot, because he knew that forward was where I wanted him, and where he could have total peace of mind.

I also took to lunging him before rides to get him moving forward and get him un-stuck. There was still a pokey period when I first got on, but it did help shorten that, too.
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I am usually one of those fuzzy, just-give-your-horse-a-hug type people, but I absolutely agree with the whip in this case. This is a bad habit that can quickly evolve into something worse.

Just a note that he may buck when you do this, so you need to be ready for that.

I wouldn't give this advice if you hadn't already had him checked for pain.

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post #8 of 8 Old 04-02-2020, 09:51 AM
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Given he truly doesn't have any health or joint issues, I always prefer using a driving whip while I am riding a horse like this. The second he stops, you can wrap the driving whip around his hind end, HARD, with relative ease. I've found this ensures that the horse will only go forwards, rather than sideways from a crop.

I used to ride an older mare in saddleseat, and she was very well-seasoned. This horse had been to Nationals, and was proven. However, she would test and test you the beginning of a ride, most often stopping or balking when asked for a transition. I would carry a driving whip for the beginning of the ride to get her going, and as soon as she knew that you had her number, she would perform perfectly. The driving whip would get switched out for her regular saddleseat/dressage whip, and the ride would continue as normal.

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